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I mean, the reason the self-driving community is furious at Tesla (well, Musk) is because they publish half-assed features like this and then push on the respon

I mean, the reason the self-driving community is furious at Tesla (well, Musk) is because they publish half-assed features like this and then push on the responsibility to the owners, and you'll always end up with idiots. (I'm sure the engineers at Tesla are just as dissatisfied about the state of things, but Musk is relentless. I'm glad I chose not to work there)

KennyBlanken 5y ago
tenpies 5y ago
The main reason isn't that they push responsibility to the owners, it's that they're risking getting the entire sector crushed just because Elon needs to prop his lies to keep the stock up. > “In the U.S., things are legal by default, and in Europe, they are illegal by default,” Musk said last month during the opening of Tesla's factory near Berlin. “We have to get approval beforehand, whereas in the U.S., you can kind of do it on your own cognizance, more or less.” This sums it up. Elon is gambling the entire autonomous industry on the hopes that these crashes never go too viral. That it's never a slow news week when FSD happens to drive like a blind teenager and cremate the driver and murder innocent bystanders. If this ever happens it's the end of autonomous driving. The regulation will be so punitive and the hoops so plentiful that it will be over, for everyone.
- Schroedingersat 5y ago
  Sounds like a win to me. We can move straight to Elon's nightmare scenario of trains and high efficiency two wheelers. I'm so glad autonomous cars are a scam, because the price its proponents want to impose on everyone else to make it a reality (legally enforced non-ownership of a car you bought, even further expansion of the road network and even greater sprawl, a privately owned panopticon, banning other road users, even proposals for mandatory self driving car beacons on pedestrians, and guarantee there'd be a 'premium subscription' down the line to go anywhere other than a major chain for dinner) is far too great.
jocker12 5y ago
“ you'll always end up with idiots.” - so hardcore ‘self driving’ cars believers, the people that actually put their money where their mouth is, those that purchase and are eager to use and test the Autopilot and the FSD are - and using your word here - always idiots? Like pipe dream religious cult world saving idiots?

KennyBlanken 5y ago

tenpies 5y ago

The main reason isn't that they push responsibility to the owners, it's that they're risking getting the entire sector crushed just because Elon needs to prop his lies to keep the stock up. > “In the U.S., things are legal by default, and in Europe, they are illegal by default,” Musk said last month during the opening of Tesla's factory near Berlin. “We have to get approval beforehand, whereas in the U.S., you can kind of do it on your own cognizance, more or less.” This sums it up. Elon is gambling the entire autonomous industry on the hopes that these crashes never go too viral. That it's never a slow news week when FSD happens to drive like a blind teenager and cremate the driver and murder innocent bystanders. If this ever happens it's the end of autonomous driving. The regulation will be so punitive and the hoops so plentiful that it will be over, for everyone.

Schroedingersat 5y ago
Sounds like a win to me. We can move straight to Elon's nightmare scenario of trains and high efficiency two wheelers. I'm so glad autonomous cars are a scam, because the price its proponents want to impose on everyone else to make it a reality (legally enforced non-ownership of a car you bought, even further expansion of the road network and even greater sprawl, a privately owned panopticon, banning other road users, even proposals for mandatory self driving car beacons on pedestrians, and guarantee there'd be a 'premium subscription' down the line to go anywhere other than a major chain for dinner) is far too great.

jocker12 5y ago

“ you'll always end up with idiots.” - so hardcore ‘self driving’ cars believers, the people that actually put their money where their mouth is, those that purchase and are eager to use and test the Autopilot and the FSD are - and using your word here - always idiots? Like pipe dream religious cult world saving idiots?