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I’m surprised that it took so long. Tesla says that the car should be in sight during the whole summon procedure precisely so things like this don’t happen. h

by csa 5y ago

I’m surprised that it took so long. Tesla says that the car should be in sight during the whole summon procedure precisely so things like this don’t happen. https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_us/GUID-6B9A1AEA-579C-400E-A7A6-E4916BCD5DED.html https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_us/GUID-6B9A1AE... “You must maintain a clear line of sight between you and Model 3 and closely monitor the vehicle and its surroundings at all times.” “Smart Summon is a BETA feature. You must continually monitor the vehicle and its surroundings and stay prepared to take immediate action at any time. It is the driver's responsibility to use Smart Summon safely, responsibly, and as intended.” I’m surprised that this was not a slam dunk for your insurance company.

xsmasher 5y ago
That's Tesla trying to absolve themselves of any blame. It has nothing to do with getting the Tesla owner's insurance to pay. Their insurance says "driver wasn't driving, not covered." Meaning the Tesla owner is still to blame, but you need sue them directly; meaning your insurance needs to sue them directly.
AceJohnny2 5y ago
I mean, the reason the self-driving community is furious at Tesla (well, Musk) is because they publish half-assed features like this and then push on the responsibility to the owners, and you'll always end up with idiots. (I'm sure the engineers at Tesla are just as dissatisfied about the state of things, but Musk is relentless. I'm glad I chose not to work there)
- KennyBlanken 5y ago
- tenpies 5y ago
  The main reason isn't that they push responsibility to the owners, it's that they're risking getting the entire sector crushed just because Elon needs to prop his lies to keep the stock up. > “In the U.S., things are legal by default, and in Europe, they are illegal by default,” Musk said last month during the opening of Tesla's factory near Berlin. “We have to get approval beforehand, whereas in the U.S., you can kind of do it on your own cognizance, more or less.” This sums it up. Elon is gambling the entire autonomous industry on the hopes that these crashes never go too viral. That it's never a slow news week when FSD happens to drive like a blind teenager and cremate the driver and murder innocent bystanders. If this ever happens it's the end of autonomous driving. The regulation will be so punitive and the hoops so plentiful that it will be over, for everyone.
  - Schroedingersat 5y ago
    Sounds like a win to me. We can move straight to Elon's nightmare scenario of trains and high efficiency two wheelers. I'm so glad autonomous cars are a scam, because the price its proponents want to impose on everyone else to make it a reality (legally enforced non-ownership of a car you bought, even further expansion of the road network and even greater sprawl, a privately owned panopticon, banning other road users, even proposals for mandatory self driving car beacons on pedestrians, and guarantee there'd be a 'premium subscription' down the line to go anywhere other than a major chain for dinner) is far too great.
- jocker12 5y ago
  “ you'll always end up with idiots.” - so hardcore ‘self driving’ cars believers, the people that actually put their money where their mouth is, those that purchase and are eager to use and test the Autopilot and the FSD are - and using your word here - always idiots? Like pipe dream religious cult world saving idiots?
FireBeyond 5y ago
And yet if you read their marketing material: "Have your car come to you while you deal with a fussy child." This is Tesla to a tee. What marketing promises, the fine print take away.
- mhh__ 5y ago
  - notwedtm 5y ago
    You're probably thinking of SpaceX. While it's not Tesla, it is another multi-billion dollar company pioneering an industry so I can see how you might get them confused. Musk is eccentric sure, but at the end of the day the two companies are building emmission-free vehicles and trying to make humanity an interplanetary species. Both of these are pretty worth-while goals, imho. I would love to see a CEO who doesn't have flaws.
    - angus-prune 5y ago
      I think thats a bit dismissive. All of Elons's ventures are linked back to his dreams of Mars and he's been pretty open about this. The Boring company is about subsurface construction on Mars. Fully automated factories are about manufacturing on mars (and in orbit). Electric cars, self-driving technolgy and hyperloop are about transportation on mars. Solar City and batteries are about the power grid on mars. SpaceX is about getting to mars.
    - McLaren_Ferrari 5y ago
      > Musk is eccentric sure, but at the end of the day the two companies are building emmission-free vehicles and trying to make humanity an interplanetary species. Both of these are pretty worth-while goals, imho. This is like hearing people talking about how it's worth-while to give money to the church in the hope to secure themselves heaven. Tesla and SpaceX are not young companies, they have been around for 20 years now. Quality of life provided to the American consumer in this timeframe? Zero, zip, none. In the same timeframe Google became ubiquitous, Microsoft put a PC on every desk and Amazon became the way we shop. The stark contrast between the presence of Tesla and Musk in the financial press (or every press he can summon really) and the absence of products in the real world is all an educated person needs to characterize this individual and the scheme he engineered.
na85 5y ago
>between you and Model 3 Ugh, why do they insist on this weird corporate speak?

by csa 5y ago

xsmasher 5y ago

That's Tesla trying to absolve themselves of any blame. It has nothing to do with getting the Tesla owner's insurance to pay. Their insurance says "driver wasn't driving, not covered." Meaning the Tesla owner is still to blame, but you need sue them directly; meaning your insurance needs to sue them directly.

AceJohnny2 5y ago

I mean, the reason the self-driving community is furious at Tesla (well, Musk) is because they publish half-assed features like this and then push on the responsibility to the owners, and you'll always end up with idiots. (I'm sure the engineers at Tesla are just as dissatisfied about the state of things, but Musk is relentless. I'm glad I chose not to work there)

KennyBlanken 5y ago
tenpies 5y ago
The main reason isn't that they push responsibility to the owners, it's that they're risking getting the entire sector crushed just because Elon needs to prop his lies to keep the stock up. > “In the U.S., things are legal by default, and in Europe, they are illegal by default,” Musk said last month during the opening of Tesla's factory near Berlin. “We have to get approval beforehand, whereas in the U.S., you can kind of do it on your own cognizance, more or less.” This sums it up. Elon is gambling the entire autonomous industry on the hopes that these crashes never go too viral. That it's never a slow news week when FSD happens to drive like a blind teenager and cremate the driver and murder innocent bystanders. If this ever happens it's the end of autonomous driving. The regulation will be so punitive and the hoops so plentiful that it will be over, for everyone.
- Schroedingersat 5y ago
  Sounds like a win to me. We can move straight to Elon's nightmare scenario of trains and high efficiency two wheelers. I'm so glad autonomous cars are a scam, because the price its proponents want to impose on everyone else to make it a reality (legally enforced non-ownership of a car you bought, even further expansion of the road network and even greater sprawl, a privately owned panopticon, banning other road users, even proposals for mandatory self driving car beacons on pedestrians, and guarantee there'd be a 'premium subscription' down the line to go anywhere other than a major chain for dinner) is far too great.
jocker12 5y ago
“ you'll always end up with idiots.” - so hardcore ‘self driving’ cars believers, the people that actually put their money where their mouth is, those that purchase and are eager to use and test the Autopilot and the FSD are - and using your word here - always idiots? Like pipe dream religious cult world saving idiots?

FireBeyond 5y ago

And yet if you read their marketing material: "Have your car come to you while you deal with a fussy child." This is Tesla to a tee. What marketing promises, the fine print take away.

mhh__ 5y ago
- notwedtm 5y ago
  You're probably thinking of SpaceX. While it's not Tesla, it is another multi-billion dollar company pioneering an industry so I can see how you might get them confused. Musk is eccentric sure, but at the end of the day the two companies are building emmission-free vehicles and trying to make humanity an interplanetary species. Both of these are pretty worth-while goals, imho. I would love to see a CEO who doesn't have flaws.
  - angus-prune 5y ago
    I think thats a bit dismissive. All of Elons's ventures are linked back to his dreams of Mars and he's been pretty open about this. The Boring company is about subsurface construction on Mars. Fully automated factories are about manufacturing on mars (and in orbit). Electric cars, self-driving technolgy and hyperloop are about transportation on mars. Solar City and batteries are about the power grid on mars. SpaceX is about getting to mars.
  - McLaren_Ferrari 5y ago
    > Musk is eccentric sure, but at the end of the day the two companies are building emmission-free vehicles and trying to make humanity an interplanetary species. Both of these are pretty worth-while goals, imho. This is like hearing people talking about how it's worth-while to give money to the church in the hope to secure themselves heaven. Tesla and SpaceX are not young companies, they have been around for 20 years now. Quality of life provided to the American consumer in this timeframe? Zero, zip, none. In the same timeframe Google became ubiquitous, Microsoft put a PC on every desk and Amazon became the way we shop. The stark contrast between the presence of Tesla and Musk in the financial press (or every press he can summon really) and the absence of products in the real world is all an educated person needs to characterize this individual and the scheme he engineered.

na85 5y ago

>between you and Model 3 Ugh, why do they insist on this weird corporate speak?