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Tesla is known to play fast and loose with their driver assist and autonomous vehicle tech and insist on avoiding lidar. Waymo and Cruise are a lot more conserv
by hosh 5y ago
Tesla is known to play fast and loose with their driver assist and autonomous vehicle tech and insist on avoiding lidar. Waymo and Cruise are a lot more conservative.
As a society, we have not figured out who is liable in cases like this -- the owner or the car company that engineered the AI.
- threeseed 5y agoIt borders on reckless than Tesla isn't using LiDAR or a similar sensor. Relying on images only requires you to perfectly identify every object in the scene in order to infer its bounding box. And that's an issue like we see here where you don't expect to see private jets near a Tesla and so it may not be modelled. With LiDAR, Radar etc. at least they know "something" is there even if they don't know what is.
- SAI_Peregrinus 5y agoYou shouldn't need to identify objects using images, just that the parallax shift indicates something there.
- Commodore63 5y agoIIRC their cameras are videoconference grade webcam FHD sensors. Lots of noise in that signal.
- BurningFrog 5y agoHow much would a LiDAR add to the cost of a Tesla?
- hosh 5y agoI don't know about the cost of the hardware itself, but there is also the cost to license the tech, with different lidar companies attempting grab a piece of the patentable space for lidar. https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/24/22451404/tesla-luminar-lidar-elon-musk-autonomous-vehicles https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/24/22451404/tesla-luminar-li... https://www.patentforecast.com/2021/07/22/lidar-competition-is-revving-up/ https://www.patentforecast.com/2021/07/22/lidar-competition-... https://www.patentforecast.com/2021/09/02/waymo-is-driving-lidars-exclusivity/ https://www.patentforecast.com/2021/09/02/waymo-is-driving-l...
- dingle_thunk 5y agoWell my Robovac cost $300 and has LIDAR. Not the same grade, but it’s not like it’s fundamentally expensive. You could use RADAR too; sensors are not always expensive and when produced in bulk costs go down.
- throwawaycities 5y ago> As a society, we have not figured out who is liable in cases like this -- the owner or the car company that engineered the AI. For the most part none of this is novel to the law. So long as the owner didn’t do anything negligent themselves, then it seems a strong claim of product liability (defective product). It seems there is very little chance of contributory negligence of the owner with this function, unlike crashes in self-drive mode, where the driver was supposed to pay attention and maintain their hands on the wheel, but turns out they were sleeping or in the backseat live streaming. I do think there should be legislation adopted to protect the victims by giving them a statutory private right of action against both the owner and the car manufacturer to hold them jointly and severally liable for any accident involving self driving vehicles, then in practice the owner/manufacturer (i.e. their insurance companies) to sort out liability.
- veilrap 5y agoI've read that Tesla's summon feature requires the user to continually hold down a button on their phone in order to have the car continue its slow progress in driving towards the user. Assuming that's the case, I would argue that this specific sort of accident is squarely in the domain of the user.
- filoleg 5y agoCan confirm that this is actually how it works. As soon as you let go of the button, the car instantly stops. Not even mentioning the explicit warnings to keep line of sight when you use smart summon, as well as the fact that summon is automatically limited to only within 20 meters of the car.
- FireBeyond 5y agoWhat about the copy on Tesla's website that says "have your car come to you while you deal with a fussy child"?
- filoleg 5y ago