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> (1) a right wing attempt to satirize the left It's hard not to secretly suspect that some of these things arise that way-- satire that is so spot on that it

by nullc 5y ago

> (1) a right wing attempt to satirize the left It's hard not to secretly suspect that some of these things arise that way-- satire that is so spot on that it gets adopted as the truth. > and out of usage to be replaced by something else I wouldn't care Fundamentally that's why language bullying works-- it doesn't matter what words are used so long as the communicating parties understand each other. Not only does it mean that it's not worth it to fight back, it makes anyone who does fight back against it look automatically suspect. The same is true for a lot of other bullying: ignoring that its bullying deprives it of its power. Or, at least, it denies it of it's power until it doesn't. But do we want to live in a world where our language is constantly being rewritten-- at a non-zero cost-- by bullies (and their automation)? Reasonable people could debate it.

bluefirebrand 5y ago
Policing Language (and frequently changing it) is one of the levers of control that was outlined heavily by Orwell in 1984, with the concept of Doublespeak. Now I know people are bored of parallels between reality and 1984, or Brave New World, or whatever other dystopia novels. They were written by authors not prophets after all. Still, it's impossible for me not to think we're on our way when I read something like "But do we want to live in a world where our language is constantly being rewritten-- at a non-zero cost-- by bullies" When talking about a real world situation. Personally I do not want to live in that world.
- Banana699 5y ago
  >Doublespeak You mixed up newspeak, the constructed language the state was inventing, with doublethink, the practice of believing 2 contradictory statements that each support the state in opposing ways (having it both ways).
redox99 5y ago
> It's hard not to secretly suspect that some of these things arise that way-- satire that is so spot on that it gets adopted as the truth. There have been many PR/issues on github that were either very likely, or certainly submitted by trolls, that have been accepted. [1] Although nowadays it's common to see master/slave being replaced, back in 2015 it was not common, this one one of the first things that dropped that terminology. The fact that the user is called pcbro and has a picture of PC Principal from South Park, makes it somewhat likely that it was a troll. [2] I think based on the language used is almost 100% certainly a troll [1] https://github.com/apple/swift/pull/165 https://github.com/apple/swift/pull/165 [2] https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/issues/87268 https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/issues/87268

by nullc 5y ago

bluefirebrand 5y ago

Policing Language (and frequently changing it) is one of the levers of control that was outlined heavily by Orwell in 1984, with the concept of Doublespeak. Now I know people are bored of parallels between reality and 1984, or Brave New World, or whatever other dystopia novels. They were written by authors not prophets after all. Still, it's impossible for me not to think we're on our way when I read something like "But do we want to live in a world where our language is constantly being rewritten-- at a non-zero cost-- by bullies" When talking about a real world situation. Personally I do not want to live in that world.

Banana699 5y ago
>Doublespeak You mixed up newspeak, the constructed language the state was inventing, with doublethink, the practice of believing 2 contradictory statements that each support the state in opposing ways (having it both ways).

redox99 5y ago

> It's hard not to secretly suspect that some of these things arise that way-- satire that is so spot on that it gets adopted as the truth. There have been many PR/issues on github that were either very likely, or certainly submitted by trolls, that have been accepted. [1] Although nowadays it's common to see master/slave being replaced, back in 2015 it was not common, this one one of the first things that dropped that terminology. The fact that the user is called pcbro and has a picture of PC Principal from South Park, makes it somewhat likely that it was a troll. [2] I think based on the language used is almost 100% certainly a troll [1] https://github.com/apple/swift/pull/165 https://github.com/apple/swift/pull/165 [2] https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/issues/87268 https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/issues/87268