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>the girl-boss Do you mean female lead characters, or female leadership on the movie project itself? Or something else (or mixture of those trends?) Apart fro

>the girl-boss Do you mean female lead characters, or female leadership on the movie project itself? Or something else (or mixture of those trends?) Apart from that, I'm not sure Disney really cares about social policies themselves one way or another. I think it's much more mercenary than that. A large part of their audience really wants to see them (and corporations in general) take a stand on certain issues, and Disney doesn't want to lose them by keeping silent. Unfortunately for Disney, a different part of their audience doesn't want to see them take a stand on issues. Or if they do, that it should be a different stand. Disney is finding out right now that it simply can't satisfy everybody.

LegitShady 5y ago
>Do you mean female lead characters, or female leadership on the movie project itself? Female leadership on movie projects isn't an issue. Female lead characters aren't an issue. I think girl-boss is a type of narrative in a film where they write unlikeable women that don't register as real people for the purpose of creating "powerful" female characters that aren't interesting or successful. Examples - Rey/Admiral Holdo/ from Disney Star Wars, Wonder Woman 1984, Captain Marvel, the female terminator reboot, the female ghostbusters reboot, the ocean's 8 female reboot, etc etc etc I fully expect the newest Thor movie with new female thor to be another girl-boss film, and from the trailer same thing with the upcoming Miss Marvel movie. The new Indiana Jones movie is at risk since it seems to be about Indy passing the torch to a young woman and Kathleen Kennedy is involved - we've seen her record on star wars. We'll see if any of that happens. >Apart from that, I'm not sure Disney really cares about social policies themselves one way or another. I think it's much more mercenary than that I disagree. The leadership and many of the creatives in Disney are the people who want to push particular political opinions on to other people. https://twitter.com/realchrisrufo/status/1508912865293619202 https://twitter.com/realchrisrufo/status/1508912865293619202 >Unfortunately for Disney, a different part of their audience doesn't want to see them take a stand on issues. Or if they do, that it should be a different stand. Disney is finding out right now that it simply can't satisfy everybody. Disney thought there was nothing anyone could do about it - since they're a private company and they can do what they want. They forgot the government they were picking a fight with also had the ability to take back privileges disney had that allowed them to be their own government in their district. They don't need to satisfy everyone, but they want to be political activists with a direct line to your kids eyes and ears in your home. Disney is a platform for their politics.
- anotherman554 5y ago
  Most of those female characters you mentioned are just as "real" to me as the male superheroes. I don't like the Marvel movies or give a crap about any of those characters, male or female. Terminator 3, 4 and 5 were creative disasters on every level yet apparently Terminator 6 was a problem because of *something something girl boss*. The Star Wars sequel movies were all written and directed by white men but something something girlboss ruined it for you. It just seems to me you have some ideological grudge that has little to do with the movies.
  - invalidOrTaken 5y ago
    >It just seems to me you have some ideological grudge that has little to do with the movies. This is a very strange statement. Movies are media. Ideology has a lot to do with media.
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    - ineedasername 5y ago
      The ideology can be "whatever content makes us the most money". Whether that content happens to coincide with a particular political or social issue may simply be a function of determining what will make the most money. I'm not saying that's how all movies are made, it's not. But for a massive global mega corp like Disney I don't think that a particular political or social ideology is the driving force behind the content. If leadership thought that different content would make them more money, they'd find people willing to make that content. Taking Disney as an example, if they actually wanted to push an ideology-- let's say one that's in line with their statements against HB 1557, then they wouldn't be running tours in Egypt or other countries that have anti-LGBT laws, or at least would be making similar condemnations of them. [1] They say & do-- or don't say & do-- whatever they think will keep the money flowing. If they can't avoid being drawn into a social or political issue, they'll say whatever they think will best mitigate the damage of being involved. It's little different than the significant rise of greenwashing over the last couple of decades. That's as much of a social & political statement as well, but I don't actually believe the company means it. [1] https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/disney-expanding-operations-to-10-anti-gay-countries-as-they-go-woke-in-the-us https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/disney-expanding-operat...
formerkrogemp 5y ago
Disney takes a very small stand on "certain issues" often limited on screen as an aside or wink to the audience, and not to the extent to which their creative professionals would like. In fact they got so fed up with being strung along in being limited in LGBTQ representation that they went on strike with the "Don't Say Gay" bills to force the new CEO to act publicly and belatedly. You can please some of the people some of the time but you can't please all of the people all of the time. Discussion of human rights and dignity aside; one of the richest corporations in the country and one of the most, shall we say, active political polities in the country feuding makes for an interesting show. I do fear the consequences of continuing escalation more broadly, however.

LegitShady 5y ago

>Do you mean female lead characters, or female leadership on the movie project itself? Female leadership on movie projects isn't an issue. Female lead characters aren't an issue. I think girl-boss is a type of narrative in a film where they write unlikeable women that don't register as real people for the purpose of creating "powerful" female characters that aren't interesting or successful. Examples - Rey/Admiral Holdo/ from Disney Star Wars, Wonder Woman 1984, Captain Marvel, the female terminator reboot, the female ghostbusters reboot, the ocean's 8 female reboot, etc etc etc I fully expect the newest Thor movie with new female thor to be another girl-boss film, and from the trailer same thing with the upcoming Miss Marvel movie. The new Indiana Jones movie is at risk since it seems to be about Indy passing the torch to a young woman and Kathleen Kennedy is involved - we've seen her record on star wars. We'll see if any of that happens. >Apart from that, I'm not sure Disney really cares about social policies themselves one way or another. I think it's much more mercenary than that I disagree. The leadership and many of the creatives in Disney are the people who want to push particular political opinions on to other people. https://twitter.com/realchrisrufo/status/1508912865293619202 https://twitter.com/realchrisrufo/status/1508912865293619202 >Unfortunately for Disney, a different part of their audience doesn't want to see them take a stand on issues. Or if they do, that it should be a different stand. Disney is finding out right now that it simply can't satisfy everybody. Disney thought there was nothing anyone could do about it - since they're a private company and they can do what they want. They forgot the government they were picking a fight with also had the ability to take back privileges disney had that allowed them to be their own government in their district. They don't need to satisfy everyone, but they want to be political activists with a direct line to your kids eyes and ears in your home. Disney is a platform for their politics.

anotherman554 5y ago
Most of those female characters you mentioned are just as "real" to me as the male superheroes. I don't like the Marvel movies or give a crap about any of those characters, male or female. Terminator 3, 4 and 5 were creative disasters on every level yet apparently Terminator 6 was a problem because of *something something girl boss*. The Star Wars sequel movies were all written and directed by white men but something something girlboss ruined it for you. It just seems to me you have some ideological grudge that has little to do with the movies.
- invalidOrTaken 5y ago
  >It just seems to me you have some ideological grudge that has little to do with the movies. This is a very strange statement. Movies are media. Ideology has a lot to do with media.
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  - ineedasername 5y ago
    The ideology can be "whatever content makes us the most money". Whether that content happens to coincide with a particular political or social issue may simply be a function of determining what will make the most money. I'm not saying that's how all movies are made, it's not. But for a massive global mega corp like Disney I don't think that a particular political or social ideology is the driving force behind the content. If leadership thought that different content would make them more money, they'd find people willing to make that content. Taking Disney as an example, if they actually wanted to push an ideology-- let's say one that's in line with their statements against HB 1557, then they wouldn't be running tours in Egypt or other countries that have anti-LGBT laws, or at least would be making similar condemnations of them. [1] They say & do-- or don't say & do-- whatever they think will keep the money flowing. If they can't avoid being drawn into a social or political issue, they'll say whatever they think will best mitigate the damage of being involved. It's little different than the significant rise of greenwashing over the last couple of decades. That's as much of a social & political statement as well, but I don't actually believe the company means it. [1] https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/disney-expanding-operations-to-10-anti-gay-countries-as-they-go-woke-in-the-us https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/disney-expanding-operat...

formerkrogemp 5y ago

Disney takes a very small stand on "certain issues" often limited on screen as an aside or wink to the audience, and not to the extent to which their creative professionals would like. In fact they got so fed up with being strung along in being limited in LGBTQ representation that they went on strike with the "Don't Say Gay" bills to force the new CEO to act publicly and belatedly. You can please some of the people some of the time but you can't please all of the people all of the time. Discussion of human rights and dignity aside; one of the richest corporations in the country and one of the most, shall we say, active political polities in the country feuding makes for an interesting show. I do fear the consequences of continuing escalation more broadly, however.