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Well then let us pay for shit in a convenient way. Like OP said, if there’s something like steam or Spotify then I’d gladly pay for it. I still rent movies week

by isatty 5y ago

Well then let us pay for shit in a convenient way. Like OP said, if there’s something like steam or Spotify then I’d gladly pay for it. I still rent movies weekly on AppleTV because it’s a convenient experience. Geo gating, shitty compression and making us choose between n apps is not the way. Also, we’re going to end up with shitty generated content regardless of my $10. If you’re making strong statements like OP is stealing from _you_, then go advocate for change. You’re in the industry.

Stunting 5y ago
you are able to pay for individual film and tv shows right now through Amazon and Apple, i'm sure others. I do advocate for change, within my own union. Today I am educating consumers on who exactly they are stealing from when they pirate shows.
- CodeMage 5y ago
  Every single show or movie I wanted to watch over the last year has been an exclusive to some streaming service or other. Amazon used to let me buy anything, and the Prime was there to entice me so I don't have to pay for individual catalog items, but that's not the case anymore. Now I have a choice between: 1. paying for a crapton of streaming services so I can watch a handful of things I'd like 2. pirating 3. not watching most of the stuff I think I would like to watch I'm not picking option 1 for what I hope are obvious reasons. I really don't want to pick option 2 because I empathize with people like you, who would be affected by that. For the moment, I'm picking option 3. However, if you really want to "educate consumers", you might be more successful if you change your tone so it doesn't sound like aggressive victim-blaming. People like you and people like me are being screwed by a third group.
  - Stunting 5y ago
    I appreciate you not pirating. You are only being screwed if you think you are entitled to the entertainment. You are not. You have an option to pay for the service as offered, steal it, or move on. Entertainment abounds in our society and is readily available at little to no cost all around you via local theater, open mic nights, libraries, etc. The connivence of having that entertainment pumped directly on demand to your home is a luxury that has a certain value to it. Currently that luxury is available via paying for the service or stealing it. The theft is relatively low risk, even by hilariously paying for a services that help hide your theft. That's the number one reason these services are being stolen.
    - CodeMage 5y ago
      Whether people are "entitled" to enrich their lives with art/entertainment or not is an interesting question in this context. We're living in a society where a huge number of people has experienced a good solution to the demand for that enrichment, and that good solution has been deliberately sabotaged so that a small, rich group of people could become even richer at the expense of everyone else. Just like you argue people are not entitled to art and entertainment, so I would argue that those who deliberately restrict access to it in completely unnecessary ways are not entitled to the additional profits they squeeze out that way. As for the comments about luxury of pumping the entertainment to our homes instead of enjoying it at little to no cost at the venues you mention, I'm reminded of Arthur Dent being told that the plans to demolish his house were on display all the time. Suffice it to say that your vision of how the majority of people live is very distorted.
      - Stunting 5y ago
        "I'd like to steal things because I morally disagree with the rules to society that I am currently opting to live in. I could choose to move, address the change at a governmental level, or simply find my entertainment elsewhere but no. It is everyone else who is the problem. Therefore I take great offense to being labeled as a thief."
        CodeMage 5y ago
        The first sentence is spot on. The rest is the distortion I was talking about. You demand empathy, but are unwilling to be empathetic yourself. In the end, you're the one opting out of discourse here, not the rest of us.
        Stunting 5y ago
        I'm saying when you steal you're a thief. If that ruffles your feathers, stop stealing.
        5y ago
- Kye 5y ago
  Hard lesson learned from years of trying to "educate" people on things that matter to me: you're going about it all wrong. I've seen your posts all through this thread. All you've done is beat people over the head with your perspective and berate them for not agreeing with you. I don't think this is what you mean to do. I think you really care about this! Lay down your sword and listen. Hear what people are saying in response. Let their responses inform and refine your advocacy. You can't stroll in broadcasting an ideological, self-interested position and expect people to react well.
zeroxfe 5y ago
> Well then let us pay for shit in a convenient way. While this may be a way explain why the masses pirate, it's a poor justification for an individual to do it. If you don't find the available payment mechanisms convenient enough, then walk away and support a product that does have mechanism convenient to you. (For the same reason that you wouldn't steal from a store that only takes Amex.)
- pie_flavor 5y ago
  Walking away vs pirating has exactly the same outcomes for the distributor. The only person affected in a nonzero way from the transaction is me, positively. Stealing from a store that only takes American Express would result in the store having less inventory; what I have gained, they have lost. The same is not true of copyright infringement. The only time copyright infringement converts into actual quantifiable loss for the seller is if I turn around and sell pirated copies at a lower price, which is why that's the degree of infringement that turns it from civil to criminal.

by isatty 5y ago

Stunting 5y ago

you are able to pay for individual film and tv shows right now through Amazon and Apple, i'm sure others. I do advocate for change, within my own union. Today I am educating consumers on who exactly they are stealing from when they pirate shows.

CodeMage 5y ago
Every single show or movie I wanted to watch over the last year has been an exclusive to some streaming service or other. Amazon used to let me buy anything, and the Prime was there to entice me so I don't have to pay for individual catalog items, but that's not the case anymore. Now I have a choice between: 1. paying for a crapton of streaming services so I can watch a handful of things I'd like 2. pirating 3. not watching most of the stuff I think I would like to watch I'm not picking option 1 for what I hope are obvious reasons. I really don't want to pick option 2 because I empathize with people like you, who would be affected by that. For the moment, I'm picking option 3. However, if you really want to "educate consumers", you might be more successful if you change your tone so it doesn't sound like aggressive victim-blaming. People like you and people like me are being screwed by a third group.
- Stunting 5y ago
  I appreciate you not pirating. You are only being screwed if you think you are entitled to the entertainment. You are not. You have an option to pay for the service as offered, steal it, or move on. Entertainment abounds in our society and is readily available at little to no cost all around you via local theater, open mic nights, libraries, etc. The connivence of having that entertainment pumped directly on demand to your home is a luxury that has a certain value to it. Currently that luxury is available via paying for the service or stealing it. The theft is relatively low risk, even by hilariously paying for a services that help hide your theft. That's the number one reason these services are being stolen.
  - CodeMage 5y ago
    Whether people are "entitled" to enrich their lives with art/entertainment or not is an interesting question in this context. We're living in a society where a huge number of people has experienced a good solution to the demand for that enrichment, and that good solution has been deliberately sabotaged so that a small, rich group of people could become even richer at the expense of everyone else. Just like you argue people are not entitled to art and entertainment, so I would argue that those who deliberately restrict access to it in completely unnecessary ways are not entitled to the additional profits they squeeze out that way. As for the comments about luxury of pumping the entertainment to our homes instead of enjoying it at little to no cost at the venues you mention, I'm reminded of Arthur Dent being told that the plans to demolish his house were on display all the time. Suffice it to say that your vision of how the majority of people live is very distorted.
    - Stunting 5y ago
      "I'd like to steal things because I morally disagree with the rules to society that I am currently opting to live in. I could choose to move, address the change at a governmental level, or simply find my entertainment elsewhere but no. It is everyone else who is the problem. Therefore I take great offense to being labeled as a thief."
      - CodeMage 5y ago
        The first sentence is spot on. The rest is the distortion I was talking about. You demand empathy, but are unwilling to be empathetic yourself. In the end, you're the one opting out of discourse here, not the rest of us.
        Stunting 5y ago
        I'm saying when you steal you're a thief. If that ruffles your feathers, stop stealing.
        5y ago
Kye 5y ago
Hard lesson learned from years of trying to "educate" people on things that matter to me: you're going about it all wrong. I've seen your posts all through this thread. All you've done is beat people over the head with your perspective and berate them for not agreeing with you. I don't think this is what you mean to do. I think you really care about this! Lay down your sword and listen. Hear what people are saying in response. Let their responses inform and refine your advocacy. You can't stroll in broadcasting an ideological, self-interested position and expect people to react well.

zeroxfe 5y ago

> Well then let us pay for shit in a convenient way. While this may be a way explain why the masses pirate, it's a poor justification for an individual to do it. If you don't find the available payment mechanisms convenient enough, then walk away and support a product that does have mechanism convenient to you. (For the same reason that you wouldn't steal from a store that only takes Amex.)

pie_flavor 5y ago
Walking away vs pirating has exactly the same outcomes for the distributor. The only person affected in a nonzero way from the transaction is me, positively. Stealing from a store that only takes American Express would result in the store having less inventory; what I have gained, they have lost. The same is not true of copyright infringement. The only time copyright infringement converts into actual quantifiable loss for the seller is if I turn around and sell pirated copies at a lower price, which is why that's the degree of infringement that turns it from civil to criminal.