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It's stealing, specifically from myself and others in my industry that you haven't heard of that. Making movies would be impossible to be without your - Lesser

It's stealing, specifically from myself and others in my industry that you haven't heard of that. Making movies would be impossible to be without your - Lesser Known actors - Assistant Directors - Stunt Coordinators - 2nd Unit Directors - Stunt Performers and I'm sure there are others. Residuals factor into our income, allow us to qualify for health insurance, empower our unions, and provide a stable income to continue working in an unstable career. All so we can make better entertainment for you! When you pirate, you're stealing money from us.

delusional 4y ago
Well when you spend your money you are literally stealing it out of the hands of my and my friends in banking.
- Stunting 4y ago
  In this example, the banking provides the service of a safe place to keep my money until I spend it. That's what I pay for, in the form account fees and the banks ability to leverage my saved money for their financial gain.
- brewdad 4y ago
  100% the opposite. Bankers make their money from the flows of cash streams. Putting my cash under a mattress or setting it on fire steals it out of the hands of your banking friends.
  - delusional 4y ago
    This may be a regional difference, but we make most of our money on fees. Cashflow isn't actually worth that much in the current economy. Not that it matters though, I was trying to make use of the "common knowledge" that banks make money from your deposits, and that therefore you spending your money instead of depositing it in a negative return account is costing us potential revenue. I know that's not how banks make money, but it's the culturally accepted explanation for how banks make money.
dml2135 4y ago
But... you don't own the copyright to the movie. The studio does. You were paid a wage for a job. You can accuse the pirates of limiting your potential for future earnings, but that is not the same as stealing from you.
- Stunting 4y ago
  my contract is directly related to the post box office profits of the movie.
  - dml2135 4y ago
    Fair enough, but still, depriving you of potential earnings is not the same as stealing. If I can't buy something for a price that's worth it to me, I will just watch something else. It doesn't mean I'm going to pay more for it. You get the same amount of money either way.
    - brewdad 4y ago
      If you choose not to pay for their movie and watch something else, you are correct that you didn't steal from them. You did steal from someone else just like them though. If you pirate their movie, then yes you did in fact steal income from them. The act of choosing to pirate that particular movie changes it from a matter of potential income to a loss of actual income.
    - Stunting 4y ago
      Right, so that isn't stealing. It is in fact what I advocate strongly. If more people did that, more content they would enjoy would be provided at a reasonable cost. But extracting the value of watching something without paying the fee for that service...that's stealing.
  - wtetzner 4y ago
    Not to argue either way about piracy, but it sounds like you might want to work on getting a better contract.
robonerd 4y ago
How much of your money has been taken from you? Not hypothetical money you think you might have been entitled to, but money that was actually yours. How much was taken from you?
- Stunting 4y ago
  around anywhere from 2 - 25 cents per viewing per consumer. Over the course of my career that can break down to easily 7 figures if I was to work on say the original Star Wars.
  - robonerd 4y ago
    Not hypothetical money you think you might have been entitled to. The truth is, not a single cent was stolen from you.
    - Stunting 4y ago
      did you extract the value of the entertainment without providing the fee? That's stealing money from me. If you weren't gonna watch it, don't watch. The argument being made is you in fact, do want to watch it, you just don't wanna pay for it. That's stealing.
      - robonerd 4y ago
        If it's any consolation to you, I've almost certainly never seen a movie with you in it.
        Stunting 4y ago
        Did you steal any content that was behind a paywall? If you did, you have taken money out of my industry and made it more difficult for it to be a viable career path in the future.
        robonerd 4y ago

delusional 4y ago

Well when you spend your money you are literally stealing it out of the hands of my and my friends in banking.

Stunting 4y ago
In this example, the banking provides the service of a safe place to keep my money until I spend it. That's what I pay for, in the form account fees and the banks ability to leverage my saved money for their financial gain.
brewdad 4y ago
100% the opposite. Bankers make their money from the flows of cash streams. Putting my cash under a mattress or setting it on fire steals it out of the hands of your banking friends.
- delusional 4y ago
  This may be a regional difference, but we make most of our money on fees. Cashflow isn't actually worth that much in the current economy. Not that it matters though, I was trying to make use of the "common knowledge" that banks make money from your deposits, and that therefore you spending your money instead of depositing it in a negative return account is costing us potential revenue. I know that's not how banks make money, but it's the culturally accepted explanation for how banks make money.

dml2135 4y ago

But... you don't own the copyright to the movie. The studio does. You were paid a wage for a job. You can accuse the pirates of limiting your potential for future earnings, but that is not the same as stealing from you.

Stunting 4y ago
my contract is directly related to the post box office profits of the movie.
- dml2135 4y ago
  Fair enough, but still, depriving you of potential earnings is not the same as stealing. If I can't buy something for a price that's worth it to me, I will just watch something else. It doesn't mean I'm going to pay more for it. You get the same amount of money either way.
  - brewdad 4y ago
    If you choose not to pay for their movie and watch something else, you are correct that you didn't steal from them. You did steal from someone else just like them though. If you pirate their movie, then yes you did in fact steal income from them. The act of choosing to pirate that particular movie changes it from a matter of potential income to a loss of actual income.
  - Stunting 4y ago
    Right, so that isn't stealing. It is in fact what I advocate strongly. If more people did that, more content they would enjoy would be provided at a reasonable cost. But extracting the value of watching something without paying the fee for that service...that's stealing.
- wtetzner 4y ago
  Not to argue either way about piracy, but it sounds like you might want to work on getting a better contract.

robonerd 4y ago

How much of your money has been taken from you? Not hypothetical money you think you might have been entitled to, but money that was actually yours. How much was taken from you?

Stunting 4y ago
around anywhere from 2 - 25 cents per viewing per consumer. Over the course of my career that can break down to easily 7 figures if I was to work on say the original Star Wars.
- robonerd 4y ago
  Not hypothetical money you think you might have been entitled to. The truth is, not a single cent was stolen from you.
  - Stunting 4y ago
    did you extract the value of the entertainment without providing the fee? That's stealing money from me. If you weren't gonna watch it, don't watch. The argument being made is you in fact, do want to watch it, you just don't wanna pay for it. That's stealing.
    - robonerd 4y ago
      If it's any consolation to you, I've almost certainly never seen a movie with you in it.
      - Stunting 4y ago
        Did you steal any content that was behind a paywall? If you did, you have taken money out of my industry and made it more difficult for it to be a viable career path in the future.
        robonerd 4y ago