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Another note about remote vs in-person, and this is super inhumane, remote has far less of a loss of productivity. No tidal waves of sickness, no "train was la

Another note about remote vs in-person, and this is super inhumane, remote has far less of a loss of productivity. No tidal waves of sickness, no "train was late, we can start the meeting in 15 minutes" ripples through schedules, no commute, shorter lunch breaks on average, more integration with someone's life (eg: only working at their peak productivity, producing the best work). Not to mention how big of a benefit it would be if they split a portion of the former office rent between all employees as monthly or quarterly "office stipend". I balked when I found out dingy offices I worked in were costing about $1k / person / month. Remote work in my opinion is a no-duh for everyone. Let's see capitalism truly at work for once; if your business can't adapt, it should die.

paulcole 5y ago
> Remote work in my opinion is a no-duh for everyone. If this is your take either you haven’t thought about it enough or you’re so pro-remote work you don’t care to think about it enough.
- AlexandrB 5y ago
  Feel free to lay out the counterarguments in your comment. Otherwise this is just a "nuh-uh, you're wrong". After working remote for 3 years (I was lucky to start a remote job several months before the pandemic started), it certainly hasn't been without an adjustment period or some challenges but I would not want to go back to a "in the office 5 days a week" position. I could see coming in one day a week for sprint planning or some more collaborative tasks (meeting). I suspect that day would be a write-off for any "productive" coding/design tasks.
  - ghaff 5y ago
    The challenge is that even one day/week frequency places fairly significant constraints on where you can live. It gives you some more flexibility; a "super commute" one day a week is probably fine. I couldn't/wouldn't do the 90 minute commute into the nearest major city (either by car or train) daily on an ongoing basis but I'd be fine doing it once a week. If the company would pay for it, you could potentially even fly in now and then. People would also need to sync on the schedule. But it's certainly doable in some circumstances.
  - paulcole 5y ago
    1. I live in a tiny apartment with a partner. 2 people working from home isn’t feasible in a 1-room apartment. 2. I enjoy physically separating my home life and my work life. 3. I don’t care about being that productive. It’s just work. I prefer to do it in an office. 4. I prefer speaking to people face to face in person.
    - mbrodersen 5y ago
      In other words, what works for some doesn’t work for others. So the right choice for companies, that want to be competitive in the job market, is to be WFH flexible instead of making it a one-solution-fit-all choice that will annoy 50%.
      - paulcole 5y ago
        Yes — remote work is not for everyone. Which was why I was refuting “Remote work in my opinion is a no-duh for everyone.” And no. The right choice for “companies” is not to be WFH-flexible. The right choice for a company is the right choice for that company. If everyone there prefers office work, don’t be WFH-flexible.
        mbrodersen 5y ago
        If you are WFH flexible and everybody prefers to be in the office that still makes more sense than forcing everybody to be in the office. Companies that are not WFH flexible will be less competitive in the jobs market. It’s that simple.
        paulcole 5y ago
        > Companies that are not WFH flexible will be less competitive in the jobs market. And those companies may care more about selecting for people who don’t want to WFH. They’ll be attractive to people who don’t want to work with people who want to WFH. Personally, I’ll never work a remote job again.
        5y ago
splitstud 5y ago

paulcole 5y ago

> Remote work in my opinion is a no-duh for everyone. If this is your take either you haven’t thought about it enough or you’re so pro-remote work you don’t care to think about it enough.

AlexandrB 5y ago
Feel free to lay out the counterarguments in your comment. Otherwise this is just a "nuh-uh, you're wrong". After working remote for 3 years (I was lucky to start a remote job several months before the pandemic started), it certainly hasn't been without an adjustment period or some challenges but I would not want to go back to a "in the office 5 days a week" position. I could see coming in one day a week for sprint planning or some more collaborative tasks (meeting). I suspect that day would be a write-off for any "productive" coding/design tasks.
- ghaff 5y ago
  The challenge is that even one day/week frequency places fairly significant constraints on where you can live. It gives you some more flexibility; a "super commute" one day a week is probably fine. I couldn't/wouldn't do the 90 minute commute into the nearest major city (either by car or train) daily on an ongoing basis but I'd be fine doing it once a week. If the company would pay for it, you could potentially even fly in now and then. People would also need to sync on the schedule. But it's certainly doable in some circumstances.
- paulcole 5y ago
  1. I live in a tiny apartment with a partner. 2 people working from home isn’t feasible in a 1-room apartment. 2. I enjoy physically separating my home life and my work life. 3. I don’t care about being that productive. It’s just work. I prefer to do it in an office. 4. I prefer speaking to people face to face in person.
  - mbrodersen 5y ago
    In other words, what works for some doesn’t work for others. So the right choice for companies, that want to be competitive in the job market, is to be WFH flexible instead of making it a one-solution-fit-all choice that will annoy 50%.
    - paulcole 5y ago
      Yes — remote work is not for everyone. Which was why I was refuting “Remote work in my opinion is a no-duh for everyone.” And no. The right choice for “companies” is not to be WFH-flexible. The right choice for a company is the right choice for that company. If everyone there prefers office work, don’t be WFH-flexible.
      - mbrodersen 5y ago
        If you are WFH flexible and everybody prefers to be in the office that still makes more sense than forcing everybody to be in the office. Companies that are not WFH flexible will be less competitive in the jobs market. It’s that simple.
        paulcole 5y ago
        > Companies that are not WFH flexible will be less competitive in the jobs market. And those companies may care more about selecting for people who don’t want to WFH. They’ll be attractive to people who don’t want to work with people who want to WFH. Personally, I’ll never work a remote job again.
        5y ago

splitstud 5y ago