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I’m not sure what specific weapons have been used on cities. Usually we see cruise missiles going into buildings, for example. Lots of video of tanks too. I

I’m not sure what *specific* weapons have been used on cities. Usually we see cruise missiles going into buildings, for example. Lots of video of tanks too. I think of artillery as less precise, with the idea of using it to indiscriminately level a large area. It’s fired from 10-20 miles away, with a few rounds a minute. Howitzers, for instance, will be important in eastern Ukrainian https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/3006912/more-howitzers-artillery-rounds-uavs-headed-to-ukraine/ https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/30...

HideousKojima 5y ago
Russia uses a lot of unguided rockets as artillery https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BM-21_Grad https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BM-21_Grad
chrisseaton 5y ago
> I think of artillery as less precise, with the idea of using it to indiscriminately level a large area. Even conventional unguided howitzer artillery is more than accurate enough to be effective against things as small as vehicles.
Workaccount2 5y ago
Artillery has become very precise. The mechanics and effects are well defined and calculated. Artillery also isn't just big guns, it includes those trucks you see shooting huge volleys of (dumb) missiles off their bed.
CabSauce 5y ago
The reporting that I've seen claims that Russia doesn't have enough guided ordinance, so they're using lots of unguided ordinance.
hef19898 5y ago
Modern artillery pieces are incredibly accurate. And if self-propelled and equiped with an auto-loader capable of rapid fire. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzerhaubitze_2000 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzerhaubitze_2000 Up to 3 roubds in 9 seconds, 10 - 13 roubds per minute continously. Depeding on the shells accuracy can be around 1 m per 48 km. Arguably, that's among the most advanced, and expensive systems. The accuracy comes from the shells, so in theory a lot of manually loaded artillery pieces should be able to achieve the accuracy.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 5y ago
  What type of shell achieves that level of accuracy?
  - hef19898 5y ago
    That would be this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/M982_Excalibur https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/M982_Excalibur At 70k USD per round not nrcessarily cheap so.
    - 2OEH8eoCRo0 5y ago
      That's what I suspected. The impressive accuracy is mostly determined by the round. That's not terribly expensive either when the accuracy can save civilian lives or the lives of soldiers using it.
      - hef19898 5y ago
        Reducing colleteral damage is a stated goal of that round. Personally, I think it's just a nice side effect and nobody really cares.
        2OEH8eoCRo0 5y ago
        It's a win win. You more reliably kill threats which saves the lives of your own guys but also spares civilians.
megous 5y ago
I doubt they waste cruise missiles on their general city terror campaigns. It's mostly MLRS, artilery, bombing with unguided bombs from airplanes, and tank shelling, what Russia uses to terrorize cities. They don't need precision for this. Cruise missiles are used for higher value targets.

I’m not sure what *specific* weapons have been used on cities. Usually we see cruise missiles going into buildings, for example. Lots of video of tanks too. I

HideousKojima 5y ago

Russia uses a lot of unguided rockets as artillery https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BM-21_Grad https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BM-21_Grad

chrisseaton 5y ago

> I think of artillery as less precise, with the idea of using it to indiscriminately level a large area. Even conventional unguided howitzer artillery is more than accurate enough to be effective against things as small as vehicles.

Workaccount2 5y ago

Artillery has become very precise. The mechanics and effects are well defined and calculated. Artillery also isn't just big guns, it includes those trucks you see shooting huge volleys of (dumb) missiles off their bed.

CabSauce 5y ago

The reporting that I've seen claims that Russia doesn't have enough guided ordinance, so they're using lots of unguided ordinance.

hef19898 5y ago

Modern artillery pieces are incredibly accurate. And if self-propelled and equiped with an auto-loader capable of rapid fire. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzerhaubitze_2000 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzerhaubitze_2000 Up to 3 roubds in 9 seconds, 10 - 13 roubds per minute continously. Depeding on the shells accuracy can be around 1 m per 48 km. Arguably, that's among the most advanced, and expensive systems. The accuracy comes from the shells, so in theory a lot of manually loaded artillery pieces should be able to achieve the accuracy.

2OEH8eoCRo0 5y ago
What type of shell achieves that level of accuracy?
- hef19898 5y ago
  That would be this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/M982_Excalibur https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/M982_Excalibur At 70k USD per round not nrcessarily cheap so.
  - 2OEH8eoCRo0 5y ago
    That's what I suspected. The impressive accuracy is mostly determined by the round. That's not terribly expensive either when the accuracy can save civilian lives or the lives of soldiers using it.
    - hef19898 5y ago
      Reducing colleteral damage is a stated goal of that round. Personally, I think it's just a nice side effect and nobody really cares.
      - 2OEH8eoCRo0 5y ago
        It's a win win. You more reliably kill threats which saves the lives of your own guys but also spares civilians.

megous 5y ago

I doubt they waste cruise missiles on their general city terror campaigns. It's mostly MLRS, artilery, bombing with unguided bombs from airplanes, and tank shelling, what Russia uses to terrorize cities. They don't need precision for this. Cruise missiles are used for higher value targets.