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They've been shooting unarmed civilians too.

Comevius 4y ago
The Russians shot 410 civilians just in Bucha alone. When they are not shooting and raping civilians, they use unguided munitions against cities.
yonaguska 4y ago
- EB-Barrington 4y ago
  You're insane. Hello from Kyiv.
- andrewinardeer 4y ago
  Strange you can make the claims while "on mobile" but can't link to sources because you're also "on mobile".
- bluejekyll 4y ago
  Here’s a source that contradicts your narrative: https://www.bbc.com/news/60981238 https://www.bbc.com/news/60981238 Satellite images from before the Russian army left the town of Bucha.
  - yonaguska 4y ago
    I've seen the satellite images. I've seen the pictures. And I've seen the video with the disturbing audio. I wish Twitter didn't delete so many things. So I've seen two sets of contradictory evidence. So I guess, pick and choose your narrative? It's not that simple. I'm inclined to believe the videos taken by the Ukrainain soldiers and the pictures rather than the satellite imagery. After Assange, I have nearly zero trust in images produced by a state controlled entity.
    - type0 4y ago
      I'm inclined to believe the videos taken by Ukrainian civilians and what I've seen has shocked me immensely
- ycombinete 4y ago
  I’m sure there plenty of war crimes from both sides. War brutalises all participants. There’s a video on Reddit of Ukrainian soldiers shooting Russian POWs in legs, with AKs. The soldiers were from a local guard, and the POWs from an artillery unit that had been bombarding their small city. I think it’s on /r/combatfootage, or /r/UkraineWarVideoReport, if you want to look it up.
  - sofixa 4y ago
    That video has been debunked as fake btw, it's riddled with inconsistencies in blood presence, patterns, uniforms. Furthermore, if Ukrainians are committing war crimes against the invading Russian army which basically has war crimes as their tactics and strategy, they're mostly morally justified. Hopefully they don't.
    - hef19898 4y ago
      War crimes are war crimes, nothing justifies those ever. Stuff has to be really nasty to still be considered a crime during times actively killing other people is completely legal and the main activity, aka war.
    - ycombinete 4y ago
      I saw the discussion around it’s legitimacy when it was released, but didn’t see anything conclusive at the time. I’ll look again.
    - antisthenes 4y ago
      > Furthermore, if Ukrainians are committing war crimes against the invading Russian army which basically has war crimes as their tactics and strategy, they're mostly morally justified. Hopefully they don't. Yikes. Good thing you don't speak for anyone but yourself. Justifying war crimes from any side is so far beyond the pale, it's mind-blowing.
      - sofixa 4y ago
        You should read again, I'm not justifying anything and i said "hopefully they don't", but if you don't see why a person seeing the carnage uttered by the invading barbarous Russian army might want to enact revenge including through illegal means like shooting POWs ( the guys who just went around looting, raping and murdering civilians) I don't know what to tell you. For a precedent, the Soviet army treated German POWs and worse, civilians, atrociously. But they had just suffered through a bitter war of destruction where they themselves were treated similarly. It's up to the commanders to keep things clean and not let the anger spillover. Of course the Soviets didn't care, and on the contrary encouraged atrocities. So far the Ukrainians seem to be taking the high road, and all the better for everyone.
stjohnswarts 4y ago
add torturing and raping as standard operating procedure to that list.

The Russians shot 410 civilians just in Bucha alone. When they are not shooting and raping civilians, they use unguided munitions against cities.

yonaguska 4y ago

EB-Barrington 4y ago
You're insane. Hello from Kyiv.
andrewinardeer 4y ago
Strange you can make the claims while "on mobile" but can't link to sources because you're also "on mobile".
bluejekyll 4y ago
Here’s a source that contradicts your narrative: https://www.bbc.com/news/60981238 https://www.bbc.com/news/60981238 Satellite images from before the Russian army left the town of Bucha.
- yonaguska 4y ago
  I've seen the satellite images. I've seen the pictures. And I've seen the video with the disturbing audio. I wish Twitter didn't delete so many things. So I've seen two sets of contradictory evidence. So I guess, pick and choose your narrative? It's not that simple. I'm inclined to believe the videos taken by the Ukrainain soldiers and the pictures rather than the satellite imagery. After Assange, I have nearly zero trust in images produced by a state controlled entity.
  - type0 4y ago
    I'm inclined to believe the videos taken by Ukrainian civilians and what I've seen has shocked me immensely
ycombinete 4y ago
I’m sure there plenty of war crimes from both sides. War brutalises all participants. There’s a video on Reddit of Ukrainian soldiers shooting Russian POWs in legs, with AKs. The soldiers were from a local guard, and the POWs from an artillery unit that had been bombarding their small city. I think it’s on /r/combatfootage, or /r/UkraineWarVideoReport, if you want to look it up.
- sofixa 4y ago
  That video has been debunked as fake btw, it's riddled with inconsistencies in blood presence, patterns, uniforms. Furthermore, if Ukrainians are committing war crimes against the invading Russian army which basically has war crimes as their tactics and strategy, they're mostly morally justified. Hopefully they don't.
  - hef19898 4y ago
    War crimes are war crimes, nothing justifies those ever. Stuff has to be really nasty to still be considered a crime during times actively killing other people is completely legal and the main activity, aka war.
  - ycombinete 4y ago
    I saw the discussion around it’s legitimacy when it was released, but didn’t see anything conclusive at the time. I’ll look again.
  - antisthenes 4y ago
    > Furthermore, if Ukrainians are committing war crimes against the invading Russian army which basically has war crimes as their tactics and strategy, they're mostly morally justified. Hopefully they don't. Yikes. Good thing you don't speak for anyone but yourself. Justifying war crimes from any side is so far beyond the pale, it's mind-blowing.
    - sofixa 4y ago
      You should read again, I'm not justifying anything and i said "hopefully they don't", but if you don't see why a person seeing the carnage uttered by the invading barbarous Russian army might want to enact revenge including through illegal means like shooting POWs ( the guys who just went around looting, raping and murdering civilians) I don't know what to tell you. For a precedent, the Soviet army treated German POWs and worse, civilians, atrociously. But they had just suffered through a bitter war of destruction where they themselves were treated similarly. It's up to the commanders to keep things clean and not let the anger spillover. Of course the Soviets didn't care, and on the contrary encouraged atrocities. So far the Ukrainians seem to be taking the high road, and all the better for everyone.

stjohnswarts 4y ago

add torturing and raping as standard operating procedure to that list.