I agree, although even devs with no people skills could even do better than those sales people or managers. They could hear customers pain points, clear goals o

I agree, although even devs with no people skills could even do better than those sales people or managers. They could hear customers pain points, clear goals on what to optimize for (revenue, clickthrough, etc) and then build some nice data science product within a reasonable timeframe. But you usually have these proxy people, who then have to do countless internal meetings to figure out what to actually do, imposing extra ordinary requirements and work hours and that’s why we have all these posts with people hating meetings, burning out and switching fields. If only the middle management and product was tech educated and oriented..