> Ousterhout spun Tcl out of Sun in late 1997, which feels like the timeline when Sun was turning to Java. I think there was internal politicking at Sun going

> Ousterhout spun Tcl out of Sun in late 1997, which feels like the timeline when Sun was turning to Java. I think there was internal politicking at Sun going on too, where JOs departure wasn’t necessarily “coincidentally” when Sun was turning to Java.