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_Lean in_ apparently means use your power to shield your wealthy boyfriend from scrutiny.

oh_sigh 5y ago
The best part is the scrutiny was about a restraining order his previous partner got on him. Imagine being a pretty powerful person in FB, reporting directly to Sheryl, and she tasks you with this shit. What a loser.
- manquer 5y ago
  Almost all high powered people give some amount of shit jobs to their EAs and chief of staffs, it is par of the course in such jobs. People in these roles typically build more trust and get more responsibility when they handle sensitive /private tasks for their bosses well.
giancarlostoro 5y ago
And people are afraid of Elon Musk turning Twitter into a free speech platform. The big tech censorship is real and whatever they want told is the narrative allowed. Good luck competing on audience anywhere else.
- JaimeThompson 5y ago
  If Elon Musk had a documented history of supporting free speech it might be different but he has no such history.
  - gitfan86 5y ago
    When has he run a social media platform and deplatformed people? I'm not saying he is going to do a great job at Twitter, but why don't we give him a chance. If the woke mob and the Trump supporters are equally mad after a year he will have done a good job.
    - JaimeThompson 5y ago
      That he nuked someones car order because of things they said to me shows he doesn't exactly support freedom of expression.
      - deleted 5y ago
        [deleted]
    - saghm 5y ago
      >> If Elon Musk had a documented history of supporting free speech it might be different but he has no such history. > When has he run a social media platform and deplatformed people? I think I need a telescope to see the goalposts to where you moved them
      - gitfan86 5y ago
        So one of the current major owners is Saudi Arabia. How about we use that for goal posts? SA has beheaded people for speaking out against the government. Please explain how Elon has a worse documented history than these current owners.
        JaimeThompson 5y ago
        While Saudia Arabia has since sold their share of Tesla at one time they owned quite a bit of Tesla stock. [1] So when Musk says [2] I have questions. "@Alwaleed_Talal @Twitter @Kingdom_KHC Interesting. Just two questions, if I may. How much of Twitter does the Kingdom own, directly & indirectly? What are the Kingdom’s views on journalistic freedom of speech?"" [1] https://money.cnn.com/2018/09/17/news/companies/saudi-arabia-tesla-competitor/index.html https://money.cnn.com/2018/09/17/news/companies/saudi-arabia... [2] https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1514683079968931841 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1514683079968931841
        saghm 5y ago
        > Please explain how Elon has a worse documented history than these current owners. I don't think anyone said anything about the current owners; the only claim was that Elon Musk does not have a documented record of supporting free speech, which no one has seemed to actually challenge, including you.
  - npunt 5y ago
    It's amazing how short and selective people's memories are on this subject. The 'debate' happening right now is coming from an earnest place but very uninformed about realities of managing large online spaces.
  - foobiekr 5y ago
    He has a substantial history of the opposite even.
- jackvalentine 5y ago
  Why did you derail this by mentioning Musk?
- majormajor 5y ago
  It's not exactly free speech, but it's deeply and depressingly amusing to see him champion this idea that "the algorithm needs to be more open and transparent" when he is very resistant to making Tesla's driving algorithms more open and transparent and very defensive against criticism of them. Lots of lives at stake there too! His reaction to Tesla leaks/whistleblowing is more directly speech related. And Tesla's relationship with the press. You are making an error in assuming that "big tech" (which now... doesn't include Musk??) people use their powers any differently than other powerful people. And that moving power between different powerful douchebags is any sort of solution, compared to breaking up powerful actors into less-powerful separate entities.
- kmeisthax 5y ago
  Elon Musk is big tech. That's why we don't trust him. When he releases Tesla schematics, sells spare parts, and allows unaffiliated repair shops to reserialize them, then maybe we can talk about him being different or better than the current set of big tech oligarchs.
  - bombcar 5y ago
    If we’re going to be ruled by big tech then maybe we should have warring factions not cooperating ones.
    - kmeisthax 5y ago
      We already have that. Apple, Google, Facebook, and Microsoft all vie for monopolistic control over different tech fiefdoms and compete with each other in different ways. What we need are new ground rules that ban monopolistic control, not Elon Musk throwing money around to overthrow the local digital warlord and replace them with himself.
- wnevets 5y ago
  How does that kool aid taste? Elon has proven time and time again he doesn't care about free speech if its speech he doesn't like. [1][2][3][4] [1] https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/feb/03/elon-musk-blogger-tesla-motors-model-x https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/feb/03/elon-musk... [2] https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jul/15/elon-musk-british-diver-thai-cave-rescue-pedo-twitter https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jul/15/elon-musk... [3] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2021-07-05/tesla-s-fall-from-grace-in-china-shows-perils-of-betting-on-beijing?sref=LPaI0SF6 https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2021-07-05/tesla-s-f... [4] https://www.theverge.com/2021/9/28/22696463/tesla-fsd-beta-nda-video-clips-controversy-full-self-driving https://www.theverge.com/2021/9/28/22696463/tesla-fsd-beta-n...
  - sixQuarks 5y ago
    How are any of those links against free speech? All I see is anti-Elon bias
darth_avocado 5y ago
I think this story is great. She has cultivated and milked an image of a woman who fought against the discrimination and lived through her husband's trauma and is an inspiration to other women. But I've always had the opinion that someone who is at that level in Facebook and stays there without anyone trying to get rid of her, has definitely had plenty of skeletons in her closet. It's high time people see her for what she is, a hypocrite contributing to a system that she's always complained about and made money from.

The best part is the scrutiny was about a restraining order his previous partner got on him. Imagine being a pretty powerful person in FB, reporting directly to Sheryl, and she tasks you with this shit. What a loser.

manquer 5y ago
Almost all high powered people give some amount of shit jobs to their EAs and chief of staffs, it is par of the course in such jobs. People in these roles typically build more trust and get more responsibility when they handle sensitive /private tasks for their bosses well.

giancarlostoro 5y ago

And people are afraid of Elon Musk turning Twitter into a free speech platform. The big tech censorship is real and whatever they want told is the narrative allowed. Good luck competing on audience anywhere else.

JaimeThompson 5y ago
If Elon Musk had a documented history of supporting free speech it might be different but he has no such history.
- gitfan86 5y ago
  When has he run a social media platform and deplatformed people? I'm not saying he is going to do a great job at Twitter, but why don't we give him a chance. If the woke mob and the Trump supporters are equally mad after a year he will have done a good job.
  - JaimeThompson 5y ago
    That he nuked someones car order because of things they said to me shows he doesn't exactly support freedom of expression.
    - deleted 5y ago
      [deleted]
  - saghm 5y ago
    >> If Elon Musk had a documented history of supporting free speech it might be different but he has no such history. > When has he run a social media platform and deplatformed people? I think I need a telescope to see the goalposts to where you moved them
    - gitfan86 5y ago
      So one of the current major owners is Saudi Arabia. How about we use that for goal posts? SA has beheaded people for speaking out against the government. Please explain how Elon has a worse documented history than these current owners.
      - JaimeThompson 5y ago
        While Saudia Arabia has since sold their share of Tesla at one time they owned quite a bit of Tesla stock. [1] So when Musk says [2] I have questions. "@Alwaleed_Talal @Twitter @Kingdom_KHC Interesting. Just two questions, if I may. How much of Twitter does the Kingdom own, directly & indirectly? What are the Kingdom’s views on journalistic freedom of speech?"" [1] https://money.cnn.com/2018/09/17/news/companies/saudi-arabia-tesla-competitor/index.html https://money.cnn.com/2018/09/17/news/companies/saudi-arabia... [2] https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1514683079968931841 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1514683079968931841
      - saghm 5y ago
        > Please explain how Elon has a worse documented history than these current owners. I don't think anyone said anything about the current owners; the only claim was that Elon Musk does not have a documented record of supporting free speech, which no one has seemed to actually challenge, including you.
- npunt 5y ago
  It's amazing how short and selective people's memories are on this subject. The 'debate' happening right now is coming from an earnest place but very uninformed about realities of managing large online spaces.
- foobiekr 5y ago
  He has a substantial history of the opposite even.
jackvalentine 5y ago
Why did you derail this by mentioning Musk?
majormajor 5y ago
It's not exactly free speech, but it's deeply and depressingly amusing to see him champion this idea that "the algorithm needs to be more open and transparent" when he is very resistant to making Tesla's driving algorithms more open and transparent and very defensive against criticism of them. Lots of lives at stake there too! His reaction to Tesla leaks/whistleblowing is more directly speech related. And Tesla's relationship with the press. You are making an error in assuming that "big tech" (which now... doesn't include Musk??) people use their powers any differently than other powerful people. And that moving power between different powerful douchebags is any sort of solution, compared to breaking up powerful actors into less-powerful separate entities.
kmeisthax 5y ago
Elon Musk is big tech. That's why we don't trust him. When he releases Tesla schematics, sells spare parts, and allows unaffiliated repair shops to reserialize them, then maybe we can talk about him being different or better than the current set of big tech oligarchs.
- bombcar 5y ago
  If we’re going to be ruled by big tech then maybe we should have warring factions not cooperating ones.
  - kmeisthax 5y ago
    We already have that. Apple, Google, Facebook, and Microsoft all vie for monopolistic control over different tech fiefdoms and compete with each other in different ways. What we need are new ground rules that ban monopolistic control, not Elon Musk throwing money around to overthrow the local digital warlord and replace them with himself.
wnevets 5y ago
How does that kool aid taste? Elon has proven time and time again he doesn't care about free speech if its speech he doesn't like. [1][2][3][4] [1] https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/feb/03/elon-musk-blogger-tesla-motors-model-x https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/feb/03/elon-musk... [2] https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jul/15/elon-musk-british-diver-thai-cave-rescue-pedo-twitter https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jul/15/elon-musk... [3] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2021-07-05/tesla-s-fall-from-grace-in-china-shows-perils-of-betting-on-beijing?sref=LPaI0SF6 https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2021-07-05/tesla-s-f... [4] https://www.theverge.com/2021/9/28/22696463/tesla-fsd-beta-nda-video-clips-controversy-full-self-driving https://www.theverge.com/2021/9/28/22696463/tesla-fsd-beta-n...
- sixQuarks 5y ago
  How are any of those links against free speech? All I see is anti-Elon bias

darth_avocado 5y ago

I think this story is great. She has cultivated and milked an image of a woman who fought against the discrimination and lived through her husband's trauma and is an inspiration to other women. But I've always had the opinion that someone who is at that level in Facebook and stays there without anyone trying to get rid of her, has definitely had plenty of skeletons in her closet. It's high time people see her for what she is, a hypocrite contributing to a system that she's always complained about and made money from.