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Telekom already does this for a very long time, at least in Germany. see for example https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10645577 https://news.ycombinator.com

by zhfliz 4y ago

Telekom already does this for a very long time, at least in Germany. see for example https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10645577 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10645577

unityByFreedom 4y ago
Have there been no attempts in Germany at introducing net neutrality? Also, does the ISP who wrote that linked article, Hetzner, still support net neutrality? I can't find anything else in English about it since the linked article from 2015 (archive [1], and new link [2]), but maybe that's because other content hasn't been translated. > Hetzner Online stands for high-performance and high capacity Internet. In the last few years, our network infrastructure has expanded little by little in order to provide our customers with optimal performance. Currently, about two-thirds of our network traffic is directly exchanged with cost-neutral peerings of various partners. Among them are privat peerings with large network operators. > For this reason, we have been increasingly concerned with DSL and cable providers who have no open peering policy themselves but are also not connected to other Tier-1 carriers with sufficient capacities. During the peak traffic period of 7 pm to 10 pm in particular, the concerned DSL and cable providers hit their capacity limits and thereby impede the fluent data stream between individual networks. This has lead to increasing complaints from the providers' customers because the customers cannot access their servers with the level of performance that they are used to having from Hetzner Online. > These customers already paid for comprehensive and quick access to the Internet with their monthly DSL and cable fees. However, providers are no longer satisfied with just this source of profit. They now also want to collect revenue by charging large content providers fees for access to their network. For this reason, interfaces are being operated at their highest capacity -- to make paid access to the DSL and cable providers' networks attractive for content providers. The end consumer is then forced to pay double for unlimited access to the Internet. We at Hetzner Online do not support such policies and declare our support for full net neutrality. [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20150906025055/http://wiki.hetzner.de/index.php/Double_Paid_Traffic/en https://web.archive.org/web/20150906025055/http://wiki.hetzn... (archive b/c the OP link is no longer accessible) [2] https://www.hetzner.com/presse-berichte/2015/01/156830 https://www.hetzner.com/presse-berichte/2015/01/156830 (article appears to have been amended)
- mschuster91 4y ago
  > Also, does the ISP who wrote that linked article, Hetzner, still support net neutrality? They do, but had to relent on holding Telekom accountable because customers threatened to leave as their end-customers from Telekom complained that the services were not reachable or low-performant. In the end, IMO it's safe to say that Telekom abused their customers to bully Hetzner into paying. [1] https://www.hetzner.com/de/news/03-20-dtag/ https://www.hetzner.com/de/news/03-20-dtag/
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fransje26 4y ago
Telecommunication in Germany is a price-gouging, customer-abusing, mafia-like cartel that is taking the piss every step of the way. It's cheaper for me to have a foreign mobile provider than to take any local contract. I get more data volume, and much cheaper EU in & out calls than anything that can be found here, and I can network-hop to get semi-decent LTE coverage, as, where I live, each provider seems to be covering a different area. After years and years of appalling DSL speeds (think < 5 Mbits/s) and no alternative except Vodafone LTE @ 50 euros/month for 10 GB of data, the (local?) government came up with subsidies for the first provider bringing glass-fiber to local towns. Ha! At once, they were all rushing to lay down fibers.. But, the subsidies were only for connections up to the local relays, not for bring glass fiber to the local customers. So once the scramble to the relays was finished, nothing else was done. Two years down the line, slowly, you can start paying (1500 euros) for a connection to your door that should come in the coming months. And the breath-taking connection speed of 100 Mbits symmetric. Which, granted, is a good improvement for casual browsing, but not quite good enough for businesses.

by zhfliz 4y ago

Telekom already does this for a very long time, at least in Germany. see for example https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10645577 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10645577

unityByFreedom 4y ago

Have there been no attempts in Germany at introducing net neutrality? Also, does the ISP who wrote that linked article, Hetzner, still support net neutrality? I can't find anything else in English about it since the linked article from 2015 (archive [1], and new link [2]), but maybe that's because other content hasn't been translated. > Hetzner Online stands for high-performance and high capacity Internet. In the last few years, our network infrastructure has expanded little by little in order to provide our customers with optimal performance. Currently, about two-thirds of our network traffic is directly exchanged with cost-neutral peerings of various partners. Among them are privat peerings with large network operators. > For this reason, we have been increasingly concerned with DSL and cable providers who have no open peering policy themselves but are also not connected to other Tier-1 carriers with sufficient capacities. During the peak traffic period of 7 pm to 10 pm in particular, the concerned DSL and cable providers hit their capacity limits and thereby impede the fluent data stream between individual networks. This has lead to increasing complaints from the providers' customers because the customers cannot access their servers with the level of performance that they are used to having from Hetzner Online. > These customers already paid for comprehensive and quick access to the Internet with their monthly DSL and cable fees. However, providers are no longer satisfied with just this source of profit. They now also want to collect revenue by charging large content providers fees for access to their network. For this reason, interfaces are being operated at their highest capacity -- to make paid access to the DSL and cable providers' networks attractive for content providers. The end consumer is then forced to pay double for unlimited access to the Internet. We at Hetzner Online do not support such policies and declare our support for full net neutrality. [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20150906025055/http://wiki.hetzner.de/index.php/Double_Paid_Traffic/en https://web.archive.org/web/20150906025055/http://wiki.hetzn... (archive b/c the OP link is no longer accessible) [2] https://www.hetzner.com/presse-berichte/2015/01/156830 https://www.hetzner.com/presse-berichte/2015/01/156830 (article appears to have been amended)

mschuster91 4y ago
> Also, does the ISP who wrote that linked article, Hetzner, still support net neutrality? They do, but had to relent on holding Telekom accountable because customers threatened to leave as their end-customers from Telekom complained that the services were not reachable or low-performant. In the end, IMO it's safe to say that Telekom abused their customers to bully Hetzner into paying. [1] https://www.hetzner.com/de/news/03-20-dtag/ https://www.hetzner.com/de/news/03-20-dtag/
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fransje26 4y ago

Telecommunication in Germany is a price-gouging, customer-abusing, mafia-like cartel that is taking the piss every step of the way. It's cheaper for me to have a foreign mobile provider than to take any local contract. I get more data volume, and much cheaper EU in & out calls than anything that can be found here, and I can network-hop to get semi-decent LTE coverage, as, where I live, each provider seems to be covering a different area. After years and years of appalling DSL speeds (think < 5 Mbits/s) and no alternative except Vodafone LTE @ 50 euros/month for 10 GB of data, the (local?) government came up with subsidies for the first provider bringing glass-fiber to local towns. Ha! At once, they were all rushing to lay down fibers.. But, the subsidies were only for connections up to the local relays, not for bring glass fiber to the local customers. So once the scramble to the relays was finished, nothing else was done. Two years down the line, slowly, you can start paying (1500 euros) for a connection to your door that should come in the coming months. And the breath-taking connection speed of 100 Mbits symmetric. Which, granted, is a good improvement for casual browsing, but not quite good enough for businesses.