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But Congress is part of the government. So it's hamstringing itself. It's the same line of thought when some large dinosaur of a company purchases a startup. "W

But Congress is part of the government. So it's hamstringing itself. It's the same line of thought when some large dinosaur of a company purchases a startup. "Welp, startup is going to suck in 2 years." It's not the startup's fault, but to the consumer it's still going to suck. It doesn't really matter why.

thorRay8383 5y ago
Incorrect. Congress can muck up government for everyone while investing in stocks, and receive unlimited campaign cash to help keep their job mucking up government. As individuals, Congress is doing fine by its members
- squeaky-clean 5y ago
  Yes, it's correct. It's the government mucking up itself to benefit the individual's personal interests. That doesn't mean they're not part of the government or not mucking up the government.
ncphil 5y ago
No. Congress is not "part of the government". Sure, they get government paychecks, but they're the legislature not the executive. They don't "do" anything, just direct that it be done. All but a few are millionaires who make more income from non-government sources than that paycheck. By virtue of their office, they're also well connected: able to get lucrative board memberships for their kids in Ukraine, or Arkansas. As part of the upper echelon of society they share the interest of the rest of their class in not only making the government appear ineffective, but also ineffective in fact. A competent government might be a threat to their power, after all: as would an unbought section of their own chambers. Hence the critical need for a disciplined two party duopoly that savagely suppresses all competition.
- MisterMower 5y ago
  “Congress is not part of the government.” Thanks for letting me know I can ignore everything you wrote after that idiotic statement.
- squeaky-clean 5y ago
  > but they're the legislature not the executive The government has multiple branches... They're the legislative branch. If we're going by your logic, the executive branch is the one that is not part of the government because they don't get to decide how to govern. https://www.whitehouse.gov/about-the-white-house/our-government/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/about-the-white-house/our-governm... https://www.usa.gov/branches-of-government https://www.usa.gov/branches-of-government https://people.howstuffworks.com/three-branches-government.htm https://people.howstuffworks.com/three-branches-government.h... > All but a few are millionaires who make more income from non-government sources than that paycheck. By virtue of their office, they're also well connecte All of this is true for the executive branch too.

thorRay8383 5y ago

Incorrect. Congress can muck up government for everyone while investing in stocks, and receive unlimited campaign cash to help keep their job mucking up government. As individuals, Congress is doing fine by its members

squeaky-clean 5y ago
Yes, it's correct. It's the government mucking up itself to benefit the individual's personal interests. That doesn't mean they're not part of the government or not mucking up the government.

ncphil 5y ago

No. Congress is not "part of the government". Sure, they get government paychecks, but they're the legislature not the executive. They don't "do" anything, just direct that it be done. All but a few are millionaires who make more income from non-government sources than that paycheck. By virtue of their office, they're also well connected: able to get lucrative board memberships for their kids in Ukraine, or Arkansas. As part of the upper echelon of society they share the interest of the rest of their class in not only making the government appear ineffective, but also ineffective in fact. A competent government might be a threat to their power, after all: as would an unbought section of their own chambers. Hence the critical need for a disciplined two party duopoly that savagely suppresses all competition.

MisterMower 5y ago
“Congress is not part of the government.” Thanks for letting me know I can ignore everything you wrote after that idiotic statement.
squeaky-clean 5y ago
> but they're the legislature not the executive The government has multiple branches... They're the legislative branch. If we're going by your logic, the executive branch is the one that is not part of the government because they don't get to decide how to govern. https://www.whitehouse.gov/about-the-white-house/our-government/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/about-the-white-house/our-governm... https://www.usa.gov/branches-of-government https://www.usa.gov/branches-of-government https://people.howstuffworks.com/three-branches-government.htm https://people.howstuffworks.com/three-branches-government.h... > All but a few are millionaires who make more income from non-government sources than that paycheck. By virtue of their office, they're also well connecte All of this is true for the executive branch too.