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You probably already are aware of it but there's an effort to create an open source successor to Rebol. See the Red Programming Language site [0]. I've played

You probably already are aware of it but there's an effort to create an open source successor to Rebol. See the Red Programming Language site [0]. I've played around with Red and it's pretty interesting. Though rather different from Tcl. Red compiles to native code out of the box which is an advantage. Currently Red is limited to 32-bit output. When they get 64-bit working along with self-hosting compiler I think the language could become a major success. [0] https://www.red-lang.org/ https://www.red-lang.org/

johnisgood 4y ago
I know about Red. Unfortunately it requires 32-bit libraries, whereas Rebol 3 does not. I could not get Red to work as easily and nicely as I did get Rebol 3. :/ > When they get 64-bit working along with self-hosting compiler I think the language could become a major success. I agree. I will most likely switch to it (though I have not dig'd deeper, hopefully it follows the philosophy of Rebol). I will check if my Rebol 3 programs work with it, or without much modification. I suppose as long as it supports 64-bit, has libraries for SHA512 (`system/catalog/checksums/sha512` in Rebol 3), along with `random/secure` and `random/seed now/precise`, I suppose it should be fine. In any case, it is a deal-breaker for me. I really want them to get 64-bit working and have a self-hosted compiler. I wish them the best. For the people who are interested: when I say Rebol 3, I am referring to https://github.com/Oldes/Rebol3 https://github.com/Oldes/Rebol3. There is a decent and detailed post on SO about these implementations and their differences. I found Oldes' one to be the most ideal.
- jrapdx3 4y ago
  Thanks, didn't know about the Rebol3 version in the link. I'll have to look into it. AFAIK the Red developers goal is to extend the Rebol philosophy to a modern, open source tool that can serve a number of high and low level purposes. Red is coming along but slowly. Not surprising given the lofty ambitions of the project. I too hope they succeed.
  - johnisgood 4y ago
    You should definitely give it a go! This is the SO post I mentioned, for what it is worth: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/31510930/rebol3-what-is-the-difference-between-the-different-branches[1] https://stackoverflow.com/questions/31510930/rebol3-what-is-... It was very easy to get Oldes' Rebol 3 up and running. It works. There are many extensions as well. My only problem is the lack of GUI (a huge problem, to be honest, because I want to contrast it to Tcl/Tk which I love as well), or at least I have not found the way to make it work. I might be doing something wrong though, or I might be missing something. I have not had enough time to search it up and get it to work. Anyone who knows how to get GUI to work with Oldes' Rebol 3 please, let me know, it would be much appreciated. Any recent (and decent) Rebol (or Rebol 3) may suffice, as long as it is 64-bit. [1] I believe it to be a major reason for Rebol not being used much. We need a proper, working Rebol! One working, actively maintained implementation, not hundreds of half-assed ones. :( I really hope Red makes it.
    - johnisgood 4y ago
      Ah, Oldes' Rebol 3 does not come with a graphics system. You need https://www.atronixengineering.com/downloads https://www.atronixengineering.com/downloads for that.

johnisgood 4y ago

I know about Red. Unfortunately it requires 32-bit libraries, whereas Rebol 3 does not. I could not get Red to work as easily and nicely as I did get Rebol 3. :/ > When they get 64-bit working along with self-hosting compiler I think the language could become a major success. I agree. I will most likely switch to it (though I have not dig'd deeper, hopefully it follows the philosophy of Rebol). I will check if my Rebol 3 programs work with it, or without much modification. I suppose as long as it supports 64-bit, has libraries for SHA512 (`system/catalog/checksums/sha512` in Rebol 3), along with `random/secure` and `random/seed now/precise`, I suppose it should be fine. In any case, it is a deal-breaker for me. I really want them to get 64-bit working and have a self-hosted compiler. I wish them the best. For the people who are interested: when I say Rebol 3, I am referring to https://github.com/Oldes/Rebol3 https://github.com/Oldes/Rebol3. There is a decent and detailed post on SO about these implementations and their differences. I found Oldes' one to be the most ideal.

jrapdx3 4y ago
Thanks, didn't know about the Rebol3 version in the link. I'll have to look into it. AFAIK the Red developers goal is to extend the Rebol philosophy to a modern, open source tool that can serve a number of high and low level purposes. Red is coming along but slowly. Not surprising given the lofty ambitions of the project. I too hope they succeed.
- johnisgood 4y ago
  You should definitely give it a go! This is the SO post I mentioned, for what it is worth: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/31510930/rebol3-what-is-the-difference-between-the-different-branches[1] https://stackoverflow.com/questions/31510930/rebol3-what-is-... It was very easy to get Oldes' Rebol 3 up and running. It works. There are many extensions as well. My only problem is the lack of GUI (a huge problem, to be honest, because I want to contrast it to Tcl/Tk which I love as well), or at least I have not found the way to make it work. I might be doing something wrong though, or I might be missing something. I have not had enough time to search it up and get it to work. Anyone who knows how to get GUI to work with Oldes' Rebol 3 please, let me know, it would be much appreciated. Any recent (and decent) Rebol (or Rebol 3) may suffice, as long as it is 64-bit. [1] I believe it to be a major reason for Rebol not being used much. We need a proper, working Rebol! One working, actively maintained implementation, not hundreds of half-assed ones. :( I really hope Red makes it.
  - johnisgood 4y ago
    Ah, Oldes' Rebol 3 does not come with a graphics system. You need https://www.atronixengineering.com/downloads https://www.atronixengineering.com/downloads for that.