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IMO they authentically but wrongly think there's something of value to research, i.e. they drink their own kool-aid. Which means they'll fail to pull their mone

by Liron 4y ago

IMO they authentically but wrongly think there's something of value to research, i.e. they drink their own kool-aid. Which means they'll fail to pull their money out at the peak of the bubble, undoing their impressive returns to date.

boringg 4y ago
Interesting take. I agree I think they are authentic in their pursuit. Always make me ever so slightly second guess if there is value they see that the majority of us don't.
rvz 4y ago
> Which means they'll fail to pull their money out at the peak of the bubble, undoing their impressive returns to date. Do you have any concrete evidence to support the claim, that they (a16z) have failed to pulled out and are in a significant loss on their crypto investments? Otherwise this is yet another baseless and unfounded assumption which can be simply dismissed entirely.
- Liron 4y ago
  Huh? They've already pulled money out and banked a historic return for their fund. In fact one of their partners whose investment thesis is based on publicly-documented logically flimsy claims [0] was #1 on this year's Midas List because he made $3B for his LPs. My point is that since they're drinking their own kool-aid, they're not securing the bag / leaving the poker table right now, a time I believe is close to peak crypto bubble (although the bubble could also plausibly last another 5 years and inflate another 5x). They're Leeroy Jenkinsing another $3.5B right now [1] which I think they're at high risk of losing and tanking the IRR of the combined funds. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28664995 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28664995 [1] https://www.coindesk.com/business/2022/01/20/andreessen-horowitz-looks-to-raise-45b-for-new-crypto-funds-report/ https://www.coindesk.com/business/2022/01/20/andreessen-horo...
  - rvz 4y ago
    All your links don't show any "concrete" evidence of a16z failing to pull out and being at a huge loss from their "crypto" investments. The web3 bullshit that they are spreading as mentioned in your article is evidence that they are pumping their own bags and continuing to hype the web3 narrative with their nonsense. But it isn't evidence that they are 'not securing the bag' and just only sitting there in the bubble, nor does it show that they are at a significant loss. They aren't that silly enough to just sit around, hold and not secure the bag in their investments. They (a16z) made it so that in their own crypto investments, they can't lose unless in rare circumstances, even in the event of a hack.
    - Liron 4y ago
      Sure, I agree they’ll likely manage to pull a lot of money out and not go too negative even as they drink their own kool-aid and imagine that a valueless speculation bubble is a substantive field of research.
      - rvz 4y ago
        Even if they are 'drinking their own kool-aid' they really don't care, since they already dumped their bags on retail. [0] They know it is a scam. They will keep doing it until stricter regulations prevent them from doing so. Such as working extremely closely with multiple exchanges to simultaneously list the tokens they've invested in and use them to dump on retail as exit liquidity. [0][1] Even if they do get caught, they can pay the SEC a small fine which is nothing more than a slap on the wrist to them from their gains. They (a16z) make money and the SEC makes money. That is why they still win and rarely lose. But retail in almost every case always loses. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31012587 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31012587 [1] https://www.benzinga.com/markets/cryptocurrency/21/07/22126163/polychain-a16z-face-unregistered-security-lawsuit-over-internet-computer-token-sale https://www.benzinga.com/markets/cryptocurrency/21/07/221261...

by Liron 4y ago

boringg 4y ago

Interesting take. I agree I think they are authentic in their pursuit. Always make me ever so slightly second guess if there is value they see that the majority of us don't.

rvz 4y ago

> Which means they'll fail to pull their money out at the peak of the bubble, undoing their impressive returns to date. Do you have any concrete evidence to support the claim, that they (a16z) have failed to pulled out and are in a significant loss on their crypto investments? Otherwise this is yet another baseless and unfounded assumption which can be simply dismissed entirely.

Liron 4y ago
Huh? They've already pulled money out and banked a historic return for their fund. In fact one of their partners whose investment thesis is based on publicly-documented logically flimsy claims [0] was #1 on this year's Midas List because he made $3B for his LPs. My point is that since they're drinking their own kool-aid, they're not securing the bag / leaving the poker table right now, a time I believe is close to peak crypto bubble (although the bubble could also plausibly last another 5 years and inflate another 5x). They're Leeroy Jenkinsing another $3.5B right now [1] which I think they're at high risk of losing and tanking the IRR of the combined funds. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28664995 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28664995 [1] https://www.coindesk.com/business/2022/01/20/andreessen-horowitz-looks-to-raise-45b-for-new-crypto-funds-report/ https://www.coindesk.com/business/2022/01/20/andreessen-horo...
- rvz 4y ago
  All your links don't show any "concrete" evidence of a16z failing to pull out and being at a huge loss from their "crypto" investments. The web3 bullshit that they are spreading as mentioned in your article is evidence that they are pumping their own bags and continuing to hype the web3 narrative with their nonsense. But it isn't evidence that they are 'not securing the bag' and just only sitting there in the bubble, nor does it show that they are at a significant loss. They aren't that silly enough to just sit around, hold and not secure the bag in their investments. They (a16z) made it so that in their own crypto investments, they can't lose unless in rare circumstances, even in the event of a hack.
  - Liron 4y ago
    Sure, I agree they’ll likely manage to pull a lot of money out and not go too negative even as they drink their own kool-aid and imagine that a valueless speculation bubble is a substantive field of research.
    - rvz 4y ago
      Even if they are 'drinking their own kool-aid' they really don't care, since they already dumped their bags on retail. [0] They know it is a scam. They will keep doing it until stricter regulations prevent them from doing so. Such as working extremely closely with multiple exchanges to simultaneously list the tokens they've invested in and use them to dump on retail as exit liquidity. [0][1] Even if they do get caught, they can pay the SEC a small fine which is nothing more than a slap on the wrist to them from their gains. They (a16z) make money and the SEC makes money. That is why they still win and rarely lose. But retail in almost every case always loses. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31012587 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31012587 [1] https://www.benzinga.com/markets/cryptocurrency/21/07/22126163/polychain-a16z-face-unregistered-security-lawsuit-over-internet-computer-token-sale https://www.benzinga.com/markets/cryptocurrency/21/07/221261...