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Wayland! Ye gods. I tried. I really did. I understand that from a developer standpoint, it's the future. I understand from a security standpoint, it's more

Wayland! Ye gods. I tried. I really did. I understand that from a developer standpoint, it's the future. I understand from a security standpoint, it's more secure. From a user standpoint? It completely breaks so much functionality (copy / paste, screen share, blue light filters, etc). Video players crash and sometimes take down the whole OS with it. It puts so much responsibility that used to be the job of the x server off on the window managers. This shift to wayland has been one of the most user hostile decisions I've seen. Every distro that defaults to wayland pushes me that much closer to simply running linux in a WSL container on windows.

sph 5y ago
Wayland has changed since you last tried. I haven't got copy paste or blue light issues with it since Fedora 35 went with Wayland-by-default. Screen share is iffy on Electron, but that behemoth is slow to pick up new technologies. I don't know about video players crashing either. When talking about a fast moving new piece of technology, it's good to give it a try once in a while and not let your 4 year old experience colour your judgement.
- wing-_-nuts 5y ago
  I gave up last week. Vlc and celluloid were crashing under gnome. They worked under swaywm but couldn't find a way to install a redshift wayland clone that worked. There are a whole lot of things that still simply 'don't work' especially if you venture outside of gnome and kde.
  - taifleh 5y ago
    VLC doesn’t support wayland. It’s an X application. take a look at https://arewewaylandyet.com/ https://arewewaylandyet.com/ to find some alternative app for your X-only software Also make sure to alias vlc to your new alternative, i keep forgetting i don’t have vlc installed anymore...
    - wing-_-nuts 5y ago
      I tired using celluloid which is a gnome wrapper around mpv, but it stopped working. Running it on the command line, I'm prompted with an exception and admonished that wayland support is 'experimental' and known to be unstable.
      - sph 5y ago
        I use celluloid on Wayland. Never crashed. It'd be helpful to know what distro you are using. Fedora has the best Wayland experience of them all, others not so much. You wouldn't have a nice Wayland experience on Ubuntu 20.04 LTS for example.
        wing-_-nuts 5y ago
        >You wouldn't have a nice Wayland experience on Ubuntu 20.04 LTS for example. That's a bingo! :^( Looking to move to an arch flavor, but need to figure out how to backup ~ 500GB of stuff I don't want to lose.
  - dralley 5y ago
    If you were using GNOME, then it has a redshift clone built in.
    - wing-_-nuts 5y ago
      Yes, gnome has night light, but unfortunately vlc crashes under wayland and it takes the entire OS with it. I haven't discovered any smoking guns, but I assume it's some sort of OOM issue, which is funny on a system with 8GB of ram. Switching to gnome on xorg, it's rock solid stable. I will wait to switch back to wayland when I'm forced to a few years down the line. I'm done bleeding on the edge.
      - dralley 5y ago
        > vlc crashes under wayland and it takes the entire OS with it. I haven't discovered any smoking guns, but I assume it's some sort of OOM issue As someone already pointed out, VLC doesn't support wayland natively, so it's running under Xwayland. Ironically the issue could very well be X related.

sph 5y ago

Wayland has changed since you last tried. I haven't got copy paste or blue light issues with it since Fedora 35 went with Wayland-by-default. Screen share is iffy on Electron, but that behemoth is slow to pick up new technologies. I don't know about video players crashing either. When talking about a fast moving new piece of technology, it's good to give it a try once in a while and not let your 4 year old experience colour your judgement.

wing-_-nuts 5y ago
I gave up last week. Vlc and celluloid were crashing under gnome. They worked under swaywm but couldn't find a way to install a redshift wayland clone that worked. There are a whole lot of things that still simply 'don't work' especially if you venture outside of gnome and kde.
- taifleh 5y ago
  VLC doesn’t support wayland. It’s an X application. take a look at https://arewewaylandyet.com/ https://arewewaylandyet.com/ to find some alternative app for your X-only software Also make sure to alias vlc to your new alternative, i keep forgetting i don’t have vlc installed anymore...
  - wing-_-nuts 5y ago
    I tired using celluloid which is a gnome wrapper around mpv, but it stopped working. Running it on the command line, I'm prompted with an exception and admonished that wayland support is 'experimental' and known to be unstable.
    - sph 5y ago
      I use celluloid on Wayland. Never crashed. It'd be helpful to know what distro you are using. Fedora has the best Wayland experience of them all, others not so much. You wouldn't have a nice Wayland experience on Ubuntu 20.04 LTS for example.
      - wing-_-nuts 5y ago
        >You wouldn't have a nice Wayland experience on Ubuntu 20.04 LTS for example. That's a bingo! :^( Looking to move to an arch flavor, but need to figure out how to backup ~ 500GB of stuff I don't want to lose.
- dralley 5y ago
  If you were using GNOME, then it has a redshift clone built in.
  - wing-_-nuts 5y ago
    Yes, gnome has night light, but unfortunately vlc crashes under wayland and it takes the entire OS with it. I haven't discovered any smoking guns, but I assume it's some sort of OOM issue, which is funny on a system with 8GB of ram. Switching to gnome on xorg, it's rock solid stable. I will wait to switch back to wayland when I'm forced to a few years down the line. I'm done bleeding on the edge.
    - dralley 5y ago
      > vlc crashes under wayland and it takes the entire OS with it. I haven't discovered any smoking guns, but I assume it's some sort of OOM issue As someone already pointed out, VLC doesn't support wayland natively, so it's running under Xwayland. Ironically the issue could very well be X related.