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Probably because "just like he always does", he is probably lying. He lies quite a lot about his business intentions and reasoning. It's not surprising that pe

by Hasu 4y ago

Probably because "just like he always does", he is probably lying. He lies quite a lot about his business intentions and reasoning. It's not surprising that people don't trust him and wonder what the real reason is, since no one believes the reason he's giving (other than uncritical Musk fanboys).

awestroke 4y ago
Do you have any examples?
- Hasu 4y ago
  "I think we will be ‘feature-complete’ on full self-driving this year, meaning the car will be able to find you in a parking lot, pick you up, take you all the way to your destination without an intervention this year. I am certain of that. That is not a question mark." - Elon Musk in 2019 Lie. Full self-driving is not feature complete in 2022, and won't be for years. "Am considering taking Tesla private at $420. Funding secured." - Elon Musk in 2018 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1026872652290379776 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1026872652290379776 Lie. Funding was not secured. Musk is still doubling down on this one. There was an incident where the EPA gave the Model S a range of 391 miles, and Musk got upset and claimed the left the key in the ignition overnight, which the EPA denies. Musk provides no evidence, but neither does the EPA, so I guess this one is "Makes weird claim contradicting a government agency that has no reason to lie", but I am inclined to believe the EPA over Musk. (https://www.theverge.com/2020/5/1/21244556/elon-musk-lie-epa-tesla-model-s-range-miles-mistake-door https://www.theverge.com/2020/5/1/21244556/elon-musk-lie-epa...) These are a small sampling of examples, you can look at Musk's statements over time about Tesla, the Hyperloop, and his future intentions regarding the various bizarre whims he adopts monthly, and there's tons of stuff where exaggerates and overstates, but also plenty where he straight up lies and completely misrepresents the truth. Particularly with anything Tesla related, he's actually more straight up about SpaceX capabilities, for whatever reason.
  - awestroke 4y ago
    Your first example is just him being wrong, not lying. The second example is him being an idiot, I would not class it as a lie. Perhaps he thought he had secured funding and/or was high. Why is it so trendy to hate on musk? Just because he has money?
Teandw 4y ago
What examples do you have then?
gfodor 4y ago
Musk literally published the "master plan" for Tesla over time, and has largely executed on it, and described the goal of rocket reusability for the purpose of colonizing Mars forever ago. Are you sure that you're not confusing failed predictions with malevolent lying?
- Hasu 4y ago
  I'm talking about specific statements that claim things that end up being entirely false. His claims about Tesla full self-driving and taking Tesla private in 2018 are pie-in-face obvious lies Musk has told, but there are any other number of half-truths, exaggerations, and misleading statements he's made over time that make me confident that yes, Elon Musk is a malevolent liar.

by Hasu 4y ago

awestroke 4y ago

Do you have any examples?

Hasu 4y ago
"I think we will be ‘feature-complete’ on full self-driving this year, meaning the car will be able to find you in a parking lot, pick you up, take you all the way to your destination without an intervention this year. I am certain of that. That is not a question mark." - Elon Musk in 2019 Lie. Full self-driving is not feature complete in 2022, and won't be for years. "Am considering taking Tesla private at $420. Funding secured." - Elon Musk in 2018 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1026872652290379776 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1026872652290379776 Lie. Funding was not secured. Musk is still doubling down on this one. There was an incident where the EPA gave the Model S a range of 391 miles, and Musk got upset and claimed the left the key in the ignition overnight, which the EPA denies. Musk provides no evidence, but neither does the EPA, so I guess this one is "Makes weird claim contradicting a government agency that has no reason to lie", but I am inclined to believe the EPA over Musk. (https://www.theverge.com/2020/5/1/21244556/elon-musk-lie-epa-tesla-model-s-range-miles-mistake-door https://www.theverge.com/2020/5/1/21244556/elon-musk-lie-epa...) These are a small sampling of examples, you can look at Musk's statements over time about Tesla, the Hyperloop, and his future intentions regarding the various bizarre whims he adopts monthly, and there's tons of stuff where exaggerates and overstates, but also plenty where he straight up lies and completely misrepresents the truth. Particularly with anything Tesla related, he's actually more straight up about SpaceX capabilities, for whatever reason.
- awestroke 4y ago
  Your first example is just him being wrong, not lying. The second example is him being an idiot, I would not class it as a lie. Perhaps he thought he had secured funding and/or was high. Why is it so trendy to hate on musk? Just because he has money?

Teandw 4y ago

What examples do you have then?

gfodor 4y ago

Musk literally published the "master plan" for Tesla over time, and has largely executed on it, and described the goal of rocket reusability for the purpose of colonizing Mars forever ago. Are you sure that you're not confusing failed predictions with malevolent lying?

Hasu 4y ago
I'm talking about specific statements that claim things that end up being entirely false. His claims about Tesla full self-driving and taking Tesla private in 2018 are pie-in-face obvious lies Musk has told, but there are any other number of half-truths, exaggerations, and misleading statements he's made over time that make me confident that yes, Elon Musk is a malevolent liar.