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How Siri Works

152 points by J3L2404 15y ago

skeletonjelly 15y ago
But none of this is how it works. I was expecting to read about the company they acquired and how they set about integrating and negotiating arrangements with service providers.
mortenjorck 15y ago
This is a good start, but it's all analysis from the outside looking in. The author is probably right about the overall structure, but there are already a few things that have come out since he posted this (it's dated last week, probably right before Steve Jobs' passing): Relationships, such as "my wife" are not actually something you type into new fields in the address book. You actually tell Siri yourself, in what appears to be a sort of natural-language @define statement. Once a much larger audience has been playing with Siri for a few weeks, we should start to get a much clearer picture.
tansey 15y ago
> Virtually everything we call “AI” today is either a theatrical display of essentially scripted behavior (that’s how most game AI works), a massive database (such as Google Suggestions and expert systems) or a vague and decidedly unintelligent jumble of neural networks and genetic algorithms. Okay, I can understand the first two being less attractive, but evolutionary neural networks-- really? I mean, what more do you want than an artificial brain created through simulated evolution? What characteristics would satisfy people like this that something is "AI" [1]? It seems a bit like the old saying that once it's discovered, it's no longer AI. [1] It's worth noting that I'm strongly biased since I work in the Neural Network Research Group at UT Austin.
- tel 15y ago
  I rather dislike ANNs. I recognize that ANNs perform well and find research to improve their performance interesting, but honestly they're completely opaque black boxes with structure that only plausibly mimics the absolute simplest of biological neural networks. I want a "brain" which was built from principles that allow its workings to be intelligible and efficient based on a technique which reflects the structure of the problem of learning, generalization, and hypothesis search and illuminates it. So I'll buy (and often use) your ANNs, but I can't help but feel a little bit worried about the state of affairs. It's probably a whole lot like that automatically enumerated proof of the 4-color theorem. It's definitely important, but there is something unsatisfying about it. We aren't learning as much as we felt entitled to because the destination was only a small part of the journey.
  - Game_Ender 15y ago
    That is the entire machine learning field. Very well designed black boxes which you train to classify or estimate your desired quantities based on you input data. It might not be true "AI" but it gets a lot of practical work done.
    - tel 15y ago
      I don't care a thing about "true AI". I just want ML to learn more from statistics.
  - tansey 15y ago
    > they're completely opaque black boxes with structure that only plausibly mimics the absolute simplest of biological neural networks I guess this depends on how advanced your toolkit is. If you're simply using feedforward nets with fixed weights, fixed topology, and sigmoid activation, then yes that's probably right. However, there are a lot of advanced techniques in ANNs that most people never use. Lots of more biologically-inspired approaches have been explored, such as leaky integrator neurons, Hebbian learning, and indirect encodings. > I want a "brain" which was built from principles See, but the problem is that we don't even have the knowledge of how real brains work to start forming such principals. In fact, we're starting to see computational models used to form principals of biological brains (for example, [1]). > that allow its workings to be intelligible And what does that mean? You want to be able to discern some rule base from the system that you can understand? Even biological brains do not have that property. > based on a technique which reflects the structure of the problem of learning, generalization, and hypothesis search and illuminates it. This is very vague. Happy to dive into it if you are willing to expound a bit. > It's probably a whole lot like that automatically enumerated proof of the 4-color theorem. It's definitely important, but there is something unsatisfying about it. We aren't learning as much as we felt entitled to because the destination was only a small part of the journey. Again, very vague. Do you think having children is unsatisfying because you can't understand their actions most of the time? Maybe I'm misunderstanding the issue here. Seriously though, I want to know what will impress people here. It's not going to be a fully general, "human-level" AI, obviously, as that requires huge amounts of semantic knowledge about the world that was encoded through billions of years of evolution, but that to me is not really a necessary condition for AI. [1] http://nn.cs.utexas.edu/?hoffman:biopsych11 http://nn.cs.utexas.edu/?hoffman:biopsych11
- georgecmu 15y ago
  a vague and decidedly unintelligent jumble of neural networks and genetic algorithms. Not at all true. More like an unintelligible jumble of Bayesian learning, Markov fields, structured regression, support vector machines, and other statistical models over large volumes of data.
- sampo 15y ago
  I don't think the writer was criticizing neural nets and genetic algorithms as an approach, just observing that what they have produced so far is "decidedly unintelligent".
  - suivix 15y ago
    If something can beat you at chess and jeopardy, it isn't unintelligent.
    - enemieslist 15y ago
      I don't know, I find these the least appealing of any kinds of test for intelligence. On the fly problem solving? Adaptation to new situations? To me, ravens using simple tools to pick up shiny things seem more intelligent than the kind of machine displayed on Jeopardy or at chess matches.
    - alokm 15y ago
      But "Watson" does not excel at chess, nor "deep blue" in jeopardy
      - robertk 15y ago
        That's why IBM is now working on Deep Watson.
- robertk 15y ago
  > What characteristics would satisfy people like this that something is "AI"? It seems Mr. Turing answered that question a while ago.
thoradam 15y ago
Every time someone analyzes an AI system, they invariably conclude that it isn't really AI, but rather just a complicated system of different, strung-together technologies. At what point do systems of sophisticated text-to-speech and grammar analysis technologies actually become AI?
- etherealG 15y ago
  when they beat a turing test.
- bitwize 15y ago
  When they can feel emotions. The one place where AI actually is a term of art -- gaming -- is also uniquely distinguished in that for agents both human- and computer-controlled, the goals are definite and the number of choices of action limited. Out here in the real world, things are a lot more fuzzy and complicated. Accordingly we are not willing to give a bot AI status until it can demonstrate competence at "real world" goals (presumably including having relationships with other sapient beings in the world).
  - MrScruff 15y ago
    What do emotions have to do with intelligence?
- ghotli 15y ago
  There is a body of work in cognitive science that suggests that intelligence is what emerges from communication between unintelligent agents. Marvin Minsky's book "The Society of Mind" is an older but pretty complete treatise of this idea. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_of_Mind http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_of_Mind "In a step-by-step process, Minsky constructs a model of human intelligence which is built up from the interactions of simple parts called agents, which are themselves mindless. He describes the postulated interactions as constituting a "society of mind", hence the title." I don't think that consciousness or intelligence is merely binary. There can be and are varying degrees of intelligence that show up all over nature. Dolphins and primates are easy to point to as consciousness that probably is most similar to our own. Dogs, cats, wolves; they all have varying degrees of what we consider intelligence. To take this even further i'll pose this thought-adventure. Is a single ant conscious? Is a single bee conscious? Hive systems at least appear to have a kind of intelligence. There are termite colonies that have reasonably sophisticated air conditioning systems. Are the chemical and physical messages sent back and forth between insect agents all that different from the communication between subsystems in our brains or the individual components of siri's architecture? All of this is very theoretical, but at least a fine thought adventure for a friday morning.
rocha 15y ago
Some background on Siri: "In 2007, SRI [1] spun off Siri, Inc. Siri was born from SRI's work on the DARPA-funded CALO [2] project, described by SRI as the largest artificial intelligence project ever launched. Siri was acquired by Apple in 2010." [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SRI_International http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SRI_International [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CALO http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CALO
itsnotvalid 15y ago
When Siri was first available, there were almost no underpinnings on it would be the next big thing or how important it would be. Suddenly, after this general release on a limited hardware, we suddenly find it the next big thing.
- nextparadigms 15y ago
  Everything Apple releases must be the next big thing, like Apple TV, Ping or iAds.
- athst 15y ago
  When it was first released, a lot of people said that it was the next best thing. Take a look at Robert Scoble's initial coverage. The only problem was that, since it was an app, I don't think they got the level of attention that they were due. If you used it back then, it really did feel magical. Now that Apple acquired them, they can use their platform to really promote it and get it on everyone's device by default, which will help a lot more people to find and use it.
  - itsnotvalid 15y ago
    Robert's article: http://scobleizer.com/2010/02/08/why-if-you-miss-siri-youll-miss-the-future-of-the-web/ http://scobleizer.com/2010/02/08/why-if-you-miss-siri-youll-... I guess most of us here in hacker news would have known Siri (from Sri) from its first public release. Many of us here also would have watched that Youtube video describing this amazing combination of technology. I guess I didn't feel any magic comes from the fact that I am not living in the US (so the app means nothing to me)
- savrajsingh 15y ago
  It's yet another testament to the fact that marketing and sales is an important part of any product's success.
- glhaynes 15y ago
  It's because it's integrated with more things in a more useful and immediate way, taking it over the threshold of (just) being a geektoy and into being something useful. In standalone app form it wasn't considerably faster/easier/"lighter"/more useful to use for much of anything. Now, some of the most tedious tasks one uses (or would consider using, if the tasks were less tedious) a phone for aren't tedious anymore.
stingraycharles 15y ago
The site is currently down, here is a google cache: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?gcx=c&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=cache%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.jeffwofford.com%2F%3Fp%3D817 http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?gcx=c&sourc...
smackfu 15y ago
Honestly, if you wrote Siri as a text line parser, would anyone be impressed by all the fancy features? It's more that current voice response systems are so incredibly primitive.
- epistasis 15y ago
  I think most people would be impressed if they could just type in what they wanted as an English sentence. Most users are familiar with GUIs, and may have heard of command line interfaces, but an English interface would be new. And maybe a plain English typed interface would even be useful. Some percentage of people type full English sentences into Google.
  - mason55 15y ago
    Like AppleScript. God I hate AppleScript.
- mikeash 15y ago
  It started out as a text parser, and was impressive enough as a concept to get significant DARPA funding for five years.
rsolomakhin 15y ago
google cache: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:SvjDteykXA4J:www.jeffwofford.com/%3Fp%3D817+how+siri+works&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:SvjDtey...
pazimzadeh 15y ago
If we created an AI that was actually intelligent enough to understand all of our queries and sort through our junk to find the answers we need, it probably wouldn't want to do it.
- grecy 15y ago
  or... once we had an AI capable of sorting through all that junk, we'd pile endlessly more junk on there until it couldn't :)
colinhevans 15y ago
I worked at SRI on the CALO project, and built prototypes of the system that was spun off into SIRI. The system uses a simple semantic task model to map language to actions. There is no deep parsing - the model does simple keyword matching and slot filling, and it turns out that with some clever engineering, this is enough to make a very compelling system. It is great to see it launch as a built-in feature on the iPhone. The NLP approach is based on work at Dejima, an NLP startup: http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/summary?doi=10.1.1.70.5385 http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/summary?doi=10.1.1.70.5... A lot of the work is grounded in Adam Cheyer's (CTO of SIRI) work on the Open Agent Architecture: http://www.ai.sri.com/~oaa/ http://www.ai.sri.com/~oaa/ A more recent publication from Adam and Didier Guzzoni on the Active architecture, which is probably the closest you'll come to a public explanation of how SIRI works: https://www.aaai.org/Papers/Symposia/Spring/2007/SS-07-04/SS07-04-009.pdf https://www.aaai.org/Papers/Symposia/Spring/2007/SS-07-04/SS...
- Caligula 15y ago
  SRI is a great organization. They make the best language modeling tool srilm that is available to developers http://www.speech.sri.com/projects/srilm/ http://www.speech.sri.com/projects/srilm/ I am curious if, and what its role in SIRI was.?
nirvana 15y ago
Ok, I know it has entered the popular culture and become a myth, and thus fighting it is kinda pointless, but the newton was not a failure, neither technologically or from a business perspective. First off, Technologically. It worked. I have terrible handwriting, and the newton I had was the 100- the original message pad. It could recognize my handwriting, just fine, well north of %90 of the time. When it got a word wrong, it was trivial to correct. I was able to write on it at the same speed that I would be writing on a pen and paper. I could increase this recognition rate to %100 by altering the way I wrote, if I wanted to, but it was more convenient to write my normal way. Further, this was all done on an ARM RISC 610 CPU running at 20Mhz with 640kb of RAM! It was "technology from the future", and unfortunately it came at a time when, at least in america, "computer literacy" was a big thing. Many people weren't really computer literate, and having a computer in the home was not rare, but not exactly common yet. Secondly, the Newton was not a failure in the marketplace. The device found wide adoption in industry where its unique features provided exceptional value. In places where a Palm could compete (because the newton's superior technology wasn't significantly more valuable) it didn't do as well... but that doesn't mean it was a failure as a product or was losing money. (Interestingly, NeXT, widely also regarded as a "failure" was also profitable when Apple bought them.) The newton was building momentum and was about to be spun out in an IPO as Newton Inc, when Steve Jobs returned to Apple. I don't know the reasons that Steve Jobs killed the IPO and the product. It seems to me that letting it spin out would have been the wiser move. I understand why it was popular for doonsbury to make fun of it, and the simpsons, etc. It exhibited a kind of hubris. Handwriting recognition? At a time when people are barely grasping the value of a computer to begin with? I think the lesson to learn with AI like products is to make sure that the target market is receptive to the idea. I hope people are now more receptive to Siri than they were to Newton.
- wanorris 15y ago
  Teas Willis, and the sticky tours Did gym and Gibbs in the wake. All mimes were the borrowers, And the moderate Belgrade. "Beware the tablespoon my son, The teeth that bite, the Claus that catch. Beware the Subjects bird, and shred The serious Bandwidth!" He took his Verbal sword in hand: Long time the monitors fog he sought, So rested he by the Tumbled tree, And stood a while in thought. And as in selfish thought he stood, The tablespoon, with eyes of Flame, Came stifling through the trigger wood, And troubled as it came! One, two! One, two! And through and though, The Verbal blade went thicker shade. He left it dead, and with its head, He went gambling back. "And host Thai slash the tablespoon? Come to my arms my bearish boy. Oh various day! Cartoon! Cathay!" He charted in his joy. Teas Willis, and the sticky tours Did gym and Gibbs in the wake. All mimes were the borrowers, And the moderate Belgrade.
nihilocrat 15y ago
I've always been curious, regarding "speaking with a Southern drawl, with a stuffed-up nose from a bad cold" ... are there non-native English speakers here who have had particular difficulty using speech-to-text because of an accent? Have the British, Irish, Scottish, Australians, Canadians, Jamaicans, or South Africans had trouble because of their dialect? Speech-to-text sounds like it will be a constantly tough problem. Even humans aren't 100% accurate, or even 99% accurate, depending on the circumstances.
- falling 15y ago
  Here is a scottish accent demo, seems fairly good http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Z8K6VMw92U http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Z8K6VMw92U
- gbog 15y ago
  French accent, my nexus never understand me when i ask for gas station, or the names of my Chinese or French contacts.
powertower 15y ago
TL;DR; Siri is a simple application with constrained functionality that uses existing technology, all dressed up to make it seem much smarter than it really is.
- khafra 15y ago
  If it's successful enough at seeming smart, in a large range of different circumstances, how is that different from actually being smart?
  - powertower 15y ago
    seeming smart != being smart Thought I see what you're saying.
saint-loup 15y ago
>>> Just think how much fun it will be when I say, “Send a text to Andrea that says ‘I love you,’” and Siri hears, “Send a text to Andrew that says ‘I love you.’” I look forward to seeing how reliable it really is. If some threshold of certainty isn't met, Siri will certainly ask "Did you mean Andrew or Andrea". Doesn't seem like a really hard problem.
- glhaynes 15y ago
  It always (from what I've seen) confirms before doing any not-easily-undoable action.
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glhaynes 15y ago
But how did Siri learn who Scott’s wife was? The demo didn’t show us, but I have a suspicion about how it works. The Mac Address Book has long had an entry for setting up relationships between contacts. I can indicate who my spouse is in Address Book. I suspect that the iPhone Contacts app will gain similar new fields in iOS 5. I haven't used Siri so I don't know whether it'll use those fields, but I do know that if it didn't know who Scott's wife was, it'd have asked him and then remembered his answer. I also don't know (but would like to!) whether it does said remembering by updating the contact. Edit: seen on Twitter, "Siri doesn't just remember your mother, father, and other significant people, it adds them to your contact details." So: it's not a separate store.
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pkulak 15y ago
I think this is all going to hinge on weather Apple can match the speech recognition bar that Google has set. Without that (like the article mentions) all the AI stuff doesn't matter. Voice Actions can't use arbitrary grammer, and it's not as pretty as Apple's solution, or as integrated, but for dictation, it's pretty good; honed by years of Google 411 and who knows what other masses of input. Is Apple using a datacenter with petabytes of voice training, or is it Dragon in the cloud? I've got an Android phone now, and as soon as I get my hands on a 4S I'm going to put them through their paces dictating text and compare. From the reviews, it looks like Apple has at least matched Google in dictation, which means that Siri has a huge lead over Voice Actions due to all the other improvements.
ErrantX 15y ago
OK, so, just got me a shiny new 4S and have been playing with Siri. It quickly became apparent that it is "limited" to this list - but that's OK. It does it very well - it recognised all of my family members and workmates with 95% (or more) accuracy, and without any training. OK so it is a modest start - but a quality one, and the options are useful. The thing that blows me away though is the speech to text. It's very accurate, as good as my 2 year old trained Dragon Naturally Speaking install. Sadly this is texts only at the moment, but I imagine we will see it in email eventually (hope so anyway). Dictating texts is great; I just sent a few instead of emails because it is so frickin quick :) Quality product. (as to how it knows about stuff like "my wife" - it asks you first time.) EDIT: I've just found out I can dictate email with it... awesome! but the icon seems to be odd in whether it appears or not (if not going through siri direct. Clicking reply on an existing email doesn't seem to give me the option.
swdunlop 15y ago
From the article: "if anyone has the motivation, the resources, and the smarts to get AI right, the iPhone dev team is it." Which is why they acquired Siri, instead of writing their own? :) http://techcrunch.com/2010/04/28/apple-buys-virtual-personal-assistant-startup-siri/ http://techcrunch.com/2010/04/28/apple-buys-virtual-personal...
fleitz 15y ago
Bullshit. AI works everyday and VERY well. AI does a fantastic job tuning SQL Queries. A* does a fantastic job finding reasonable routes between destinations. AI finds optimizations to massively speed up software. AI lays out the very circuitry of most of the ICs in your computer. AI routes the packets between you and HN. It seems that as soon as something in AI works it becomes not AI. I guarantee you that when we find out exactly how a neuron and neural networks work the human brain will be equally unimpressive. Each person's brain is the product of an uninterrupted chain of evolution stretching back 4 billion years. The field of AI has been around for about 60 years, sorry it hasn't quite managed to best the human brain in every task imaginable. Also, if one looks at "natural intelligence" they can see some pretty stupid things going on. Losing spaceshuttles due to metric / SAE conversion, wtf? Ask the average person to name the country that lies between Iraq and Afganistan. http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=what+country+borders+on+iraq+and+afganistan http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=what+country+borders+on...
- finnw1 15y ago
  Wolfram Alpha doesn't actually answer the question that was asked. Instead it answers two questions (1) what countries share borders with Iraq; (2) what countries share borders with Afghanistan. The final step (find the intersection of those sets) is a task that I would expect a computer to be better at than a human, but that is the step that Wolfram Alpha misses out.
chugger 15y ago
ok i've been playing with Siri for a few hours now. this thing is awesome!

152 points by J3L2404 15y ago

But none of this is how it works. I was expecting to read about the company they acquired and how they set about integrating and negotiating arrangements with service providers.

mortenjorck 15y ago

This is a good start, but it's all analysis from the outside looking in. The author is probably right about the overall structure, but there are already a few things that have come out since he posted this (it's dated last week, probably right before Steve Jobs' passing): Relationships, such as "my wife" are not actually something you type into new fields in the address book. You actually tell Siri yourself, in what appears to be a sort of natural-language @define statement. Once a much larger audience has been playing with Siri for a few weeks, we should start to get a much clearer picture.

tansey 15y ago

> Virtually everything we call “AI” today is either a theatrical display of essentially scripted behavior (that’s how most game AI works), a massive database (such as Google Suggestions and expert systems) or a vague and decidedly unintelligent jumble of neural networks and genetic algorithms. Okay, I can understand the first two being less attractive, but evolutionary neural networks-- really? I mean, what more do you want than an artificial brain created through simulated evolution? What characteristics would satisfy people like this that something is "AI" [1]? It seems a bit like the old saying that once it's discovered, it's no longer AI. [1] It's worth noting that I'm strongly biased since I work in the Neural Network Research Group at UT Austin.

tel 15y ago
I rather dislike ANNs. I recognize that ANNs perform well and find research to improve their performance interesting, but honestly they're completely opaque black boxes with structure that only plausibly mimics the absolute simplest of biological neural networks. I want a "brain" which was built from principles that allow its workings to be intelligible and efficient based on a technique which reflects the structure of the problem of learning, generalization, and hypothesis search and illuminates it. So I'll buy (and often use) your ANNs, but I can't help but feel a little bit worried about the state of affairs. It's probably a whole lot like that automatically enumerated proof of the 4-color theorem. It's definitely important, but there is something unsatisfying about it. We aren't learning as much as we felt entitled to because the destination was only a small part of the journey.
- Game_Ender 15y ago
  That is the entire machine learning field. Very well designed black boxes which you train to classify or estimate your desired quantities based on you input data. It might not be true "AI" but it gets a lot of practical work done.
  - tel 15y ago
    I don't care a thing about "true AI". I just want ML to learn more from statistics.
- tansey 15y ago
  > they're completely opaque black boxes with structure that only plausibly mimics the absolute simplest of biological neural networks I guess this depends on how advanced your toolkit is. If you're simply using feedforward nets with fixed weights, fixed topology, and sigmoid activation, then yes that's probably right. However, there are a lot of advanced techniques in ANNs that most people never use. Lots of more biologically-inspired approaches have been explored, such as leaky integrator neurons, Hebbian learning, and indirect encodings. > I want a "brain" which was built from principles See, but the problem is that we don't even have the knowledge of how real brains work to start forming such principals. In fact, we're starting to see computational models used to form principals of biological brains (for example, [1]). > that allow its workings to be intelligible And what does that mean? You want to be able to discern some rule base from the system that you can understand? Even biological brains do not have that property. > based on a technique which reflects the structure of the problem of learning, generalization, and hypothesis search and illuminates it. This is very vague. Happy to dive into it if you are willing to expound a bit. > It's probably a whole lot like that automatically enumerated proof of the 4-color theorem. It's definitely important, but there is something unsatisfying about it. We aren't learning as much as we felt entitled to because the destination was only a small part of the journey. Again, very vague. Do you think having children is unsatisfying because you can't understand their actions most of the time? Maybe I'm misunderstanding the issue here. Seriously though, I want to know what will impress people here. It's not going to be a fully general, "human-level" AI, obviously, as that requires huge amounts of semantic knowledge about the world that was encoded through billions of years of evolution, but that to me is not really a necessary condition for AI. [1] http://nn.cs.utexas.edu/?hoffman:biopsych11 http://nn.cs.utexas.edu/?hoffman:biopsych11
georgecmu 15y ago
a vague and decidedly unintelligent jumble of neural networks and genetic algorithms. Not at all true. More like an unintelligible jumble of Bayesian learning, Markov fields, structured regression, support vector machines, and other statistical models over large volumes of data.
sampo 15y ago
I don't think the writer was criticizing neural nets and genetic algorithms as an approach, just observing that what they have produced so far is "decidedly unintelligent".
- suivix 15y ago
  If something can beat you at chess and jeopardy, it isn't unintelligent.
  - enemieslist 15y ago
    I don't know, I find these the least appealing of any kinds of test for intelligence. On the fly problem solving? Adaptation to new situations? To me, ravens using simple tools to pick up shiny things seem more intelligent than the kind of machine displayed on Jeopardy or at chess matches.
  - alokm 15y ago
    But "Watson" does not excel at chess, nor "deep blue" in jeopardy
    - robertk 15y ago
      That's why IBM is now working on Deep Watson.
robertk 15y ago
> What characteristics would satisfy people like this that something is "AI"? It seems Mr. Turing answered that question a while ago.

thoradam 15y ago

Every time someone analyzes an AI system, they invariably conclude that it isn't really AI, but rather just a complicated system of different, strung-together technologies. At what point do systems of sophisticated text-to-speech and grammar analysis technologies actually become AI?

etherealG 15y ago
when they beat a turing test.
bitwize 15y ago
When they can feel emotions. The one place where AI actually is a term of art -- gaming -- is also uniquely distinguished in that for agents both human- and computer-controlled, the goals are definite and the number of choices of action limited. Out here in the real world, things are a lot more fuzzy and complicated. Accordingly we are not willing to give a bot AI status until it can demonstrate competence at "real world" goals (presumably including having relationships with other sapient beings in the world).
- MrScruff 15y ago
  What do emotions have to do with intelligence?
ghotli 15y ago
There is a body of work in cognitive science that suggests that intelligence is what emerges from communication between unintelligent agents. Marvin Minsky's book "The Society of Mind" is an older but pretty complete treatise of this idea. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_of_Mind http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_of_Mind "In a step-by-step process, Minsky constructs a model of human intelligence which is built up from the interactions of simple parts called agents, which are themselves mindless. He describes the postulated interactions as constituting a "society of mind", hence the title." I don't think that consciousness or intelligence is merely binary. There can be and are varying degrees of intelligence that show up all over nature. Dolphins and primates are easy to point to as consciousness that probably is most similar to our own. Dogs, cats, wolves; they all have varying degrees of what we consider intelligence. To take this even further i'll pose this thought-adventure. Is a single ant conscious? Is a single bee conscious? Hive systems at least appear to have a kind of intelligence. There are termite colonies that have reasonably sophisticated air conditioning systems. Are the chemical and physical messages sent back and forth between insect agents all that different from the communication between subsystems in our brains or the individual components of siri's architecture? All of this is very theoretical, but at least a fine thought adventure for a friday morning.

rocha 15y ago

Some background on Siri: "In 2007, SRI [1] spun off Siri, Inc. Siri was born from SRI's work on the DARPA-funded CALO [2] project, described by SRI as the largest artificial intelligence project ever launched. Siri was acquired by Apple in 2010." [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SRI_International http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SRI_International [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CALO http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CALO

itsnotvalid 15y ago

When Siri was first available, there were almost no underpinnings on it would be the next big thing or how important it would be. Suddenly, after this general release on a limited hardware, we suddenly find it the next big thing.

nextparadigms 15y ago
Everything Apple releases must be the next big thing, like Apple TV, Ping or iAds.
athst 15y ago
When it was first released, a lot of people said that it was the next best thing. Take a look at Robert Scoble's initial coverage. The only problem was that, since it was an app, I don't think they got the level of attention that they were due. If you used it back then, it really did feel magical. Now that Apple acquired them, they can use their platform to really promote it and get it on everyone's device by default, which will help a lot more people to find and use it.
- itsnotvalid 15y ago
  Robert's article: http://scobleizer.com/2010/02/08/why-if-you-miss-siri-youll-miss-the-future-of-the-web/ http://scobleizer.com/2010/02/08/why-if-you-miss-siri-youll-... I guess most of us here in hacker news would have known Siri (from Sri) from its first public release. Many of us here also would have watched that Youtube video describing this amazing combination of technology. I guess I didn't feel any magic comes from the fact that I am not living in the US (so the app means nothing to me)
savrajsingh 15y ago
It's yet another testament to the fact that marketing and sales is an important part of any product's success.
glhaynes 15y ago
It's because it's integrated with more things in a more useful and immediate way, taking it over the threshold of (just) being a geektoy and into being something useful. In standalone app form it wasn't considerably faster/easier/"lighter"/more useful to use for much of anything. Now, some of the most tedious tasks one uses (or would consider using, if the tasks were less tedious) a phone for aren't tedious anymore.

stingraycharles 15y ago

The site is currently down, here is a google cache: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?gcx=c&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=cache%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.jeffwofford.com%2F%3Fp%3D817 http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?gcx=c&sourc...

smackfu 15y ago

Honestly, if you wrote Siri as a text line parser, would anyone be impressed by all the fancy features? It's more that current voice response systems are so incredibly primitive.

epistasis 15y ago
I think most people would be impressed if they could just type in what they wanted as an English sentence. Most users are familiar with GUIs, and may have heard of command line interfaces, but an English interface would be new. And maybe a plain English typed interface would even be useful. Some percentage of people type full English sentences into Google.
- mason55 15y ago
  Like AppleScript. God I hate AppleScript.
mikeash 15y ago
It started out as a text parser, and was impressive enough as a concept to get significant DARPA funding for five years.

rsolomakhin 15y ago

google cache: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:SvjDteykXA4J:www.jeffwofford.com/%3Fp%3D817+how+siri+works&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:SvjDtey...

pazimzadeh 15y ago

If we created an AI that was actually intelligent enough to understand all of our queries and sort through our junk to find the answers we need, it probably wouldn't want to do it.

grecy 15y ago
or... once we had an AI capable of sorting through all that junk, we'd pile endlessly more junk on there until it couldn't :)

colinhevans 15y ago

I worked at SRI on the CALO project, and built prototypes of the system that was spun off into SIRI. The system uses a simple semantic task model to map language to actions. There is no deep parsing - the model does simple keyword matching and slot filling, and it turns out that with some clever engineering, this is enough to make a very compelling system. It is great to see it launch as a built-in feature on the iPhone. The NLP approach is based on work at Dejima, an NLP startup: http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/summary?doi=10.1.1.70.5385 http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/summary?doi=10.1.1.70.5... A lot of the work is grounded in Adam Cheyer's (CTO of SIRI) work on the Open Agent Architecture: http://www.ai.sri.com/~oaa/ http://www.ai.sri.com/~oaa/ A more recent publication from Adam and Didier Guzzoni on the Active architecture, which is probably the closest you'll come to a public explanation of how SIRI works: https://www.aaai.org/Papers/Symposia/Spring/2007/SS-07-04/SS07-04-009.pdf https://www.aaai.org/Papers/Symposia/Spring/2007/SS-07-04/SS...

Caligula 15y ago
SRI is a great organization. They make the best language modeling tool srilm that is available to developers http://www.speech.sri.com/projects/srilm/ http://www.speech.sri.com/projects/srilm/ I am curious if, and what its role in SIRI was.?

nirvana 15y ago

Ok, I know it has entered the popular culture and become a myth, and thus fighting it is kinda pointless, but the newton was not a failure, neither technologically or from a business perspective. First off, Technologically. It worked. I have terrible handwriting, and the newton I had was the 100- the original message pad. It could recognize my handwriting, just fine, well north of %90 of the time. When it got a word wrong, it was trivial to correct. I was able to write on it at the same speed that I would be writing on a pen and paper. I could increase this recognition rate to %100 by altering the way I wrote, if I wanted to, but it was more convenient to write my normal way. Further, this was all done on an ARM RISC 610 CPU running at 20Mhz with 640kb of RAM! It was "technology from the future", and unfortunately it came at a time when, at least in america, "computer literacy" was a big thing. Many people weren't really computer literate, and having a computer in the home was not rare, but not exactly common yet. Secondly, the Newton was not a failure in the marketplace. The device found wide adoption in industry where its unique features provided exceptional value. In places where a Palm could compete (because the newton's superior technology wasn't significantly more valuable) it didn't do as well... but that doesn't mean it was a failure as a product or was losing money. (Interestingly, NeXT, widely also regarded as a "failure" was also profitable when Apple bought them.) The newton was building momentum and was about to be spun out in an IPO as Newton Inc, when Steve Jobs returned to Apple. I don't know the reasons that Steve Jobs killed the IPO and the product. It seems to me that letting it spin out would have been the wiser move. I understand why it was popular for doonsbury to make fun of it, and the simpsons, etc. It exhibited a kind of hubris. Handwriting recognition? At a time when people are barely grasping the value of a computer to begin with? I think the lesson to learn with AI like products is to make sure that the target market is receptive to the idea. I hope people are now more receptive to Siri than they were to Newton.

wanorris 15y ago
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nihilocrat 15y ago

I've always been curious, regarding "speaking with a Southern drawl, with a stuffed-up nose from a bad cold" ... are there non-native English speakers here who have had particular difficulty using speech-to-text because of an accent? Have the British, Irish, Scottish, Australians, Canadians, Jamaicans, or South Africans had trouble because of their dialect? Speech-to-text sounds like it will be a constantly tough problem. Even humans aren't 100% accurate, or even 99% accurate, depending on the circumstances.

falling 15y ago
Here is a scottish accent demo, seems fairly good http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Z8K6VMw92U http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Z8K6VMw92U
gbog 15y ago
French accent, my nexus never understand me when i ask for gas station, or the names of my Chinese or French contacts.

powertower 15y ago

TL;DR; Siri is a simple application with constrained functionality that uses existing technology, all dressed up to make it seem much smarter than it really is.

khafra 15y ago
If it's successful enough at seeming smart, in a large range of different circumstances, how is that different from actually being smart?
- powertower 15y ago
  seeming smart != being smart Thought I see what you're saying.

saint-loup 15y ago

>>> Just think how much fun it will be when I say, “Send a text to Andrea that says ‘I love you,’” and Siri hears, “Send a text to Andrew that says ‘I love you.’” I look forward to seeing how reliable it really is. If some threshold of certainty isn't met, Siri will certainly ask "Did you mean Andrew or Andrea". Doesn't seem like a really hard problem.

glhaynes 15y ago
It always (from what I've seen) confirms before doing any not-easily-undoable action.

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glhaynes 15y ago

But how did Siri learn who Scott’s wife was? The demo didn’t show us, but I have a suspicion about how it works. The Mac Address Book has long had an entry for setting up relationships between contacts. I can indicate who my spouse is in Address Book. I suspect that the iPhone Contacts app will gain similar new fields in iOS 5. I haven't used Siri so I don't know whether it'll use those fields, but I do know that if it didn't know who Scott's wife was, it'd have asked him and then remembered his answer. I also don't know (but would like to!) whether it does said remembering by updating the contact. Edit: seen on Twitter, "Siri doesn't just remember your mother, father, and other significant people, it adds them to your contact details." So: it's not a separate store.

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pkulak 15y ago

I think this is all going to hinge on weather Apple can match the speech recognition bar that Google has set. Without that (like the article mentions) all the AI stuff doesn't matter. Voice Actions can't use arbitrary grammer, and it's not as pretty as Apple's solution, or as integrated, but for dictation, it's pretty good; honed by years of Google 411 and who knows what other masses of input. Is Apple using a datacenter with petabytes of voice training, or is it Dragon in the cloud? I've got an Android phone now, and as soon as I get my hands on a 4S I'm going to put them through their paces dictating text and compare. From the reviews, it looks like Apple has at least matched Google in dictation, which means that Siri has a huge lead over Voice Actions due to all the other improvements.

ErrantX 15y ago

OK, so, just got me a shiny new 4S and have been playing with Siri. It quickly became apparent that it is "limited" to this list - but that's OK. It does it very well - it recognised all of my family members and workmates with 95% (or more) accuracy, and without any training. OK so it is a modest start - but a quality one, and the options are useful. The thing that blows me away though is the speech to text. It's very accurate, as good as my 2 year old trained Dragon Naturally Speaking install. Sadly this is texts only at the moment, but I imagine we will see it in email eventually (hope so anyway). Dictating texts is great; I just sent a few instead of emails because it is so frickin quick :) Quality product. (as to how it knows about stuff like "my wife" - it asks you first time.) EDIT: I've just found out I can dictate email with it... awesome! but the icon seems to be odd in whether it appears or not (if not going through siri direct. Clicking reply on an existing email doesn't seem to give me the option.

swdunlop 15y ago

From the article: "if anyone has the motivation, the resources, and the smarts to get AI right, the iPhone dev team is it." Which is why they acquired Siri, instead of writing their own? :) http://techcrunch.com/2010/04/28/apple-buys-virtual-personal-assistant-startup-siri/ http://techcrunch.com/2010/04/28/apple-buys-virtual-personal...

fleitz 15y ago

Bullshit. AI works everyday and VERY well. AI does a fantastic job tuning SQL Queries. A* does a fantastic job finding reasonable routes between destinations. AI finds optimizations to massively speed up software. AI lays out the very circuitry of most of the ICs in your computer. AI routes the packets between you and HN. It seems that as soon as something in AI works it becomes not AI. I guarantee you that when we find out exactly how a neuron and neural networks work the human brain will be equally unimpressive. Each person's brain is the product of an uninterrupted chain of evolution stretching back 4 billion years. The field of AI has been around for about 60 years, sorry it hasn't quite managed to best the human brain in every task imaginable. Also, if one looks at "natural intelligence" they can see some pretty stupid things going on. Losing spaceshuttles due to metric / SAE conversion, wtf? Ask the average person to name the country that lies between Iraq and Afganistan. http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=what+country+borders+on+iraq+and+afganistan http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=what+country+borders+on...

finnw1 15y ago
Wolfram Alpha doesn't actually answer the question that was asked. Instead it answers two questions (1) what countries share borders with Iraq; (2) what countries share borders with Afghanistan. The final step (find the intersection of those sets) is a task that I would expect a computer to be better at than a human, but that is the step that Wolfram Alpha misses out.

chugger 15y ago

ok i've been playing with Siri for a few hours now. this thing is awesome!