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I think automating nethack is sufficient reason for this tool.

by cduzz 5y ago

tux3 5y ago
There's no wrong way to play, but savescumming makes it a different kind of game! Sadly the AIs (nethackchallenge.com) are not yet good enough to show us what closer to optimal play looks like.
- moonchild 5y ago
  not as consistent as the best humans yet, but they have won https://github.com/krajj7/BotHack https://github.com/krajj7/BotHack
- cduzz 5y ago
  I typically play on public servers to avoid any save game temptations, or the reverse, removing terrifying bones infested with rogue pet vampires and cursed artifacts... I'm disappointed that DJB didn't automate polypiling until he got what he wanted, rather than just rolling new characters until getting the desired combination of resources. At that point, I'd just say that save game editing and RNG grinding are comparable... If you're reading this, DJB, thanks for all the awesome and weird tools! Perhaps you're not as widely attributed as you should be but I see your influences everywhere in modern unix. (edited to change "fingerprints" to "influences" -- things like systemd or the later solaris init replacement are clearly a funhouse mirror re-imagning of daemontools and family -- but fingerprints implies that DJB touched these things which I'm pretty confident he didn't)
- chongli 5y ago
  There are a bunch of aspects to optimal play in NetHack that are pretty unfun for humans to perform (but dramatically increase win rate). These things can all be programmed into an AI without too much trouble, some more fiddly than others: * Always retrace your own steps when backtracking. Only walk on new tiles when it’s absolutely necessary for exploration. This greatly reduces your chances of stepping on unseen traps. * Abuse shops to the max. Price ID everything you find. Sell every last bit of junk. Engage in credit cloning. Steal everything from shops. * Abuse the protection racket. Max out on divine protection by spending all of the money from every shopkeeper’s pocket at the temple in minetown. * Abuse alchemy to make large stacks of holy water and blessed potions of full healing. Increase your max HP to several hundred. * Pudding farming. This one has thankfully been patched out. * Polypiling. Polymorph lines of items on the floor. Try to get magic markers to write more scrolls of enchant armour.

I think automating nethack is sufficient reason for this tool.

by cduzz 5y ago

I think automating nethack is sufficient reason for this tool.

tux3 5y ago

There's no wrong way to play, but savescumming makes it a different kind of game! Sadly the AIs (nethackchallenge.com) are not yet good enough to show us what closer to optimal play looks like.

moonchild 5y ago
not as consistent as the best humans yet, but they have won https://github.com/krajj7/BotHack https://github.com/krajj7/BotHack
cduzz 5y ago
I typically play on public servers to avoid any save game temptations, or the reverse, removing terrifying bones infested with rogue pet vampires and cursed artifacts... I'm disappointed that DJB didn't automate polypiling until he got what he wanted, rather than just rolling new characters until getting the desired combination of resources. At that point, I'd just say that save game editing and RNG grinding are comparable... If you're reading this, DJB, thanks for all the awesome and weird tools! Perhaps you're not as widely attributed as you should be but I see your influences everywhere in modern unix. (edited to change "fingerprints" to "influences" -- things like systemd or the later solaris init replacement are clearly a funhouse mirror re-imagning of daemontools and family -- but fingerprints implies that DJB touched these things which I'm pretty confident he didn't)
chongli 5y ago
There are a bunch of aspects to optimal play in NetHack that are pretty unfun for humans to perform (but dramatically increase win rate). These things can all be programmed into an AI without too much trouble, some more fiddly than others: * Always retrace your own steps when backtracking. Only walk on new tiles when it’s absolutely necessary for exploration. This greatly reduces your chances of stepping on unseen traps. * Abuse shops to the max. Price ID everything you find. Sell every last bit of junk. Engage in credit cloning. Steal everything from shops. * Abuse the protection racket. Max out on divine protection by spending all of the money from every shopkeeper’s pocket at the temple in minetown. * Abuse alchemy to make large stacks of holy water and blessed potions of full healing. Increase your max HP to several hundred. * Pudding farming. This one has thankfully been patched out. * Polypiling. Polymorph lines of items on the floor. Try to get magic markers to write more scrolls of enchant armour.