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>From your comment, you went unnecessarily political regarding the January 6, 2021 insurrection. In my view, this is why people downvoted your comment. The comm

>From your comment, you went unnecessarily political regarding the January 6, 2021 insurrection. In my view, this is why people downvoted your comment. The common narrative is that it was insurrection That hasn't been true for months. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_United_States_Capitol_attack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_United_States_Capitol_att... Wiki used to call it insurrection but it's not that. I understand the criticism that perhaps it's because it's political, but that's the because the whole subject is political. >It was certainly a dangerous mob driven by Trump and cronies intending to interfere with the US election proceedings without justifiable cause beyond pseudo-creedal feelings that somewhere, somehow, the election was stolen. Dangerous seems an over reach. Contemporary comparison you have mostly peaceful riots and actual insurrections like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitol_Hill_Occupied_Protest https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitol_Hill_Occupied_Protest It's really important to see what's happening here. It's ultra important to be able to talk about these things. Republicans need to address the police brutality and objectively proven racism. Democrats need to address some things as well. These conversations have to happen and they are going to hurt.

notacoward 5y ago
> Wiki used to call it insurrection but it's not that. They don't call it insurrection only because "seditious conspiracy" is the more legally accurate term, and the charge on which convictions have already been obtained. But ask a layperson to describe the difference and you'll get nothing. Even the US house and senate voted on impeachment for "incitement of insurrection" despite the legal distinction. Saying that it's "not insurrection[legal]" might be true, but HN is not a court and saying "not insurrection[common]" here is false.
- superturkey650 5y ago
  Besides that, the subtitle of the article on Wikipedia is literally “ Violent insurrection after the 2020 presidential election”.
- tomrod 5y ago
  > But ask a layperson to describe the difference and you'll get nothing. Even the US house and senate voted on impeachment for "incitement of insurrection" despite the legal distinction. \o layperson here. My observation of January 6 was the people being punished were part of a hapless, mindless mob who believed the lies of kakistocrats playing on their economic insecurities and political loyalties.
- incomingpain 5y ago
  I withdraw my position about US government and twitter. >They don't call it insurrection only because "seditious conspiracy" is the more legally accurate term, and the charge on which convictions have already been obtained. I think I saw this on twitter. I'm not going to argue over this one. Even the wikipage extensively uses the word insurrection still. This is a super non-issue. In fact, the differing reactions and hard line take on these contemporary political protests is all that matters. I could also point out, but it won't help: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_efforts_to_restrict_voting_following_the_2020_presidential_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_efforts_to_restrict... Elon isn't too late. Seemingly he's ahead of me on this one. I didn't realize how bad it is. I just hope Canada and Mexico stay out of this.

notacoward 5y ago

> Wiki used to call it insurrection but it's not that. They don't call it insurrection only because "seditious conspiracy" is the more legally accurate term, and the charge on which convictions have already been obtained. But ask a layperson to describe the difference and you'll get nothing. Even the US house and senate voted on impeachment for "incitement of insurrection" despite the legal distinction. Saying that it's "not insurrection[legal]" might be true, but HN is not a court and saying "not insurrection[common]" here is false.

superturkey650 5y ago
Besides that, the subtitle of the article on Wikipedia is literally “ Violent insurrection after the 2020 presidential election”.
tomrod 5y ago
> But ask a layperson to describe the difference and you'll get nothing. Even the US house and senate voted on impeachment for "incitement of insurrection" despite the legal distinction. \o layperson here. My observation of January 6 was the people being punished were part of a hapless, mindless mob who believed the lies of kakistocrats playing on their economic insecurities and political loyalties.
incomingpain 5y ago
I withdraw my position about US government and twitter. >They don't call it insurrection only because "seditious conspiracy" is the more legally accurate term, and the charge on which convictions have already been obtained. I think I saw this on twitter. I'm not going to argue over this one. Even the wikipage extensively uses the word insurrection still. This is a super non-issue. In fact, the differing reactions and hard line take on these contemporary political protests is all that matters. I could also point out, but it won't help: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_efforts_to_restrict_voting_following_the_2020_presidential_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_efforts_to_restrict... Elon isn't too late. Seemingly he's ahead of me on this one. I didn't realize how bad it is. I just hope Canada and Mexico stay out of this.