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Curiously enough both industries you use in your example (Auto, Fashion) have permanent designers in their payroll which again touches on GP's points. I don't

Curiously enough both industries you use in your example (Auto, Fashion) have permanent designers in their payroll which again touches on GP's points. I don't have to learn how to use scissors or paperclips everytime, I use somebody else's stationery. There is a fundamental form to daily objects that does not change or otherwise changes in leap steps often by completely depricating the old object.

smohare 4y ago
Do you leave your house? It’s much more difficult to find everyday objects that do not succumb to constant design changes. Bandages, razors, beverages, literally almost any box of foodstuff…
travisjungroth 4y ago
I don’t know, this argument seems to be losing validity. Couldn’t it be that industries that need lots of design for some other reason hire designers? That would be cause going the other way. > There is a fundamental form to daily objects that does not change or otherwise changes in leap steps often by completely depricating the old object. And this just doesn’t seem true at all. Should I hold these papers together with paper clips or binder clips? Maybe a staple. How about one of those new air staplers?
- DoingIsLearning 4y ago
  Taking your example a paper clip and a binder clip both have the same fundamental form you have to separate two parts of the thing that then squeeze the paper together. A stapler is a leap step in binding things, where an interely different fundamental form is used to permanently bind things. An air stapler has a different operating principle (I don't push a staple a pneumatic driver does it for me) but it is not fundamentally different from a regular stapler in how it binds things. Storing this comment on a server is several leap steps forward from archiving a printed document and binding it to other comments in this thread. :)
  - travisjungroth 4y ago
    Then it seems like you’ve just stated a tautology. Things don’t change unless they do.

smohare 4y ago

Do you leave your house? It’s much more difficult to find everyday objects that do not succumb to constant design changes. Bandages, razors, beverages, literally almost any box of foodstuff…

travisjungroth 4y ago

I don’t know, this argument seems to be losing validity. Couldn’t it be that industries that need lots of design for some other reason hire designers? That would be cause going the other way. > There is a fundamental form to daily objects that does not change or otherwise changes in leap steps often by completely depricating the old object. And this just doesn’t seem true at all. Should I hold these papers together with paper clips or binder clips? Maybe a staple. How about one of those new air staplers?

DoingIsLearning 4y ago
Taking your example a paper clip and a binder clip both have the same fundamental form you have to separate two parts of the thing that then squeeze the paper together. A stapler is a leap step in binding things, where an interely different fundamental form is used to permanently bind things. An air stapler has a different operating principle (I don't push a staple a pneumatic driver does it for me) but it is not fundamentally different from a regular stapler in how it binds things. Storing this comment on a server is several leap steps forward from archiving a printed document and binding it to other comments in this thread. :)
- travisjungroth 4y ago
  Then it seems like you’ve just stated a tautology. Things don’t change unless they do.