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Asking others to vote differently and submit different content is lame. It's like complaining about getting down modded. If you want better content, submit it

Asking others to vote differently and submit different content is lame. It's like complaining about getting down modded. If you want better content, submit it yourself and upmod it on the new page.

eru 18y ago
While it may seem lame it's entirely within the system. Voicing your opinion with a comment/submission is as acceptable as up and down voting - as far as I am concerned. Though I do not like to read complaints that much, either.
- ivankirigin 18y ago
  It is indeed within the system. I wasn't saying he shouldn't be allowed to post it. I'm saying it's a lame post that I won't upmod.
  - imgabe 18y ago
    I agree. The signal to noise ratio isn't helped by adding more noise.
  - 13ren 18y ago
    If the "system" includes the guidelines, then it's not within the system. Please don't submit comments complaining that a submission is inappropriate for the site. http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - streety 18y ago
      Does a submission count as a post?
      - 13ren 18y ago
        Guideline-lawyer! :-) I assume that by post, you mean comment. Please don't submit comments complaining that a submission is inappropriate for the site. (1). I suggest that the "intention of the guideline" is to reduce cluttering the site with meta-discussion, and it would serve this purpose best if comment was construed as including a submission. (2). in terms of the "letter of the guideline", what is the meaning of the words comments and submissions? The guidelines have separate sections for each, and clearly use the terminology used else on the site, which talks of comments on articles and articles that are submitted. A broader construction of "comments" as "things that comment on other things" is not the literal meaning. Therefore, I agree that the excerpt about comments does not include submissions, and I was wrong. However, I think it should include submissions. :-) Another argument is that submissions about the site are not "On-topic", by this definition: On-Topic: Anything that good hackers would find interesting. That includes more than hacking and startups. If you had to reduce it to a sentence, the answer might be: anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity. I'm not sure that complaining about the site, and attempting to modify other people's behaviour, gratifies one's intellectual curiosity (in contrast, a discussion about how a social site can be run does do this). However, I think in future, I might leave all such discussions to my betters, and focus on things that I find interesting, instead of trying to "improve" the site.
        streety 18y ago
        "I assume that by post, you mean comment." I feel I've been caught out on my speelling while commenting on someone else's. Shame on me! "However, I think it should include submissions. :-)" I agree completely.
- robg 18y ago
  Actually, it's not supposed to be in the system: Please don't submit comments complaining that a submission is inappropriate for the site. If you think something is spam or egregiously offtopic, you can flag it by going to its page and clicking on the "flag" link. (Not all users will see this; there is a karma threshold.) http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - Jem 18y ago
    > Please don't submit comments complaining that a submission is inappropriate for the site Isn't that exactly what you're doing too, though?
    - robg 18y ago
      The guidelines don't matter for this discussion? It seems to me it's the only thing that should matter. Without them, this site has no focus whatsoever.
      - aslkjdf 18y ago
        robg. Regarding the site having focus. I suggest you re-read the guidelines. When the guidelines are as vague as "If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic." it's not as easy as just throwing the guidelines at someone.
        robg 18y ago
        You're missing the point. The guidelines are the only thing that should matter. Without them, this community has exactly zero form.
      - Jem 18y ago
        No, that's not what I'm saying. Although I agree with the OP that the political stuff is getting dull, I believe you have a point about the guidelines (that means I agree with you). However, complaining that the OP is going against the guidelines and therefore doing the same thing yourself seems somewhat hypocritical. Of course, here I am doing exactly the same thing really. Surely you could just do what you/others have told the OP to do, and flag the 'submission'?
prakash 18y ago
If you want better content, submit it yourself and upmod it on the new page. I do that pretty much everyday.
davidw 18y ago
It's hard to find good stuff, and sometimes there just isn't that much. This of course leads to a 'crowding out' problem if there's lots of junk being posted - you just can't compete without spending more time searching for content than the junk submitters.

Asking others to vote differently and submit different content is lame. It's like complaining about getting down modded. If you want better content, submit it yourself and upmod it on the new page.

eru 18y ago

While it may seem lame it's entirely within the system. Voicing your opinion with a comment/submission is as acceptable as up and down voting - as far as I am concerned. Though I do not like to read complaints that much, either.

ivankirigin 18y ago
It is indeed within the system. I wasn't saying he shouldn't be allowed to post it. I'm saying it's a lame post that I won't upmod.
- imgabe 18y ago
  I agree. The signal to noise ratio isn't helped by adding more noise.
- 13ren 18y ago
  If the "system" includes the guidelines, then it's not within the system. Please don't submit comments complaining that a submission is inappropriate for the site. http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - streety 18y ago
    Does a submission count as a post?
    - 13ren 18y ago
      Guideline-lawyer! :-) I assume that by post, you mean comment. Please don't submit comments complaining that a submission is inappropriate for the site. (1). I suggest that the "intention of the guideline" is to reduce cluttering the site with meta-discussion, and it would serve this purpose best if comment was construed as including a submission. (2). in terms of the "letter of the guideline", what is the meaning of the words comments and submissions? The guidelines have separate sections for each, and clearly use the terminology used else on the site, which talks of comments on articles and articles that are submitted. A broader construction of "comments" as "things that comment on other things" is not the literal meaning. Therefore, I agree that the excerpt about comments does not include submissions, and I was wrong. However, I think it should include submissions. :-) Another argument is that submissions about the site are not "On-topic", by this definition: On-Topic: Anything that good hackers would find interesting. That includes more than hacking and startups. If you had to reduce it to a sentence, the answer might be: anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity. I'm not sure that complaining about the site, and attempting to modify other people's behaviour, gratifies one's intellectual curiosity (in contrast, a discussion about how a social site can be run does do this). However, I think in future, I might leave all such discussions to my betters, and focus on things that I find interesting, instead of trying to "improve" the site.
      - streety 18y ago
        "I assume that by post, you mean comment." I feel I've been caught out on my speelling while commenting on someone else's. Shame on me! "However, I think it should include submissions. :-)" I agree completely.
robg 18y ago
Actually, it's not supposed to be in the system: Please don't submit comments complaining that a submission is inappropriate for the site. If you think something is spam or egregiously offtopic, you can flag it by going to its page and clicking on the "flag" link. (Not all users will see this; there is a karma threshold.) http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- Jem 18y ago
  > Please don't submit comments complaining that a submission is inappropriate for the site Isn't that exactly what you're doing too, though?
  - robg 18y ago
    The guidelines don't matter for this discussion? It seems to me it's the only thing that should matter. Without them, this site has no focus whatsoever.
    - aslkjdf 18y ago
      robg. Regarding the site having focus. I suggest you re-read the guidelines. When the guidelines are as vague as "If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic." it's not as easy as just throwing the guidelines at someone.
      - robg 18y ago
        You're missing the point. The guidelines are the only thing that should matter. Without them, this community has exactly zero form.
    - Jem 18y ago
      No, that's not what I'm saying. Although I agree with the OP that the political stuff is getting dull, I believe you have a point about the guidelines (that means I agree with you). However, complaining that the OP is going against the guidelines and therefore doing the same thing yourself seems somewhat hypocritical. Of course, here I am doing exactly the same thing really. Surely you could just do what you/others have told the OP to do, and flag the 'submission'?

prakash 18y ago

If you want better content, submit it yourself and upmod it on the new page. I do that pretty much everyday.

davidw 18y ago

It's hard to find good stuff, and sometimes there just isn't that much. This of course leads to a 'crowding out' problem if there's lots of junk being posted - you just can't compete without spending more time searching for content than the junk submitters.