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Yes, this was the argument the deniers went to after the excess mortality showed they were wrong about “covid numbers being over-counted”. In the UK the eviden

Yes, this was the argument the deniers went to after the excess mortality showed they were wrong about “covid numbers being over-counted”. In the UK the evidence against this is here: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/articles/deathsathomeincreasedbyathirdin2020whiledeathsinhospitalsfellexceptforcovid19/2021-05-07 https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsde... Basically more people died at home than normal, but these people would have died in hospital anyway. The claim that suicides had increased massively also did not pan out in the statistics. There are a ton of countries that managed to keep their excess mortality low despite lockdowns, so there is plenty of evidence that lockdowns and restrictions themselves don’t cause excess mortality. Of course the deniers will claim that _their_ lockdown did, but I’ve given up any hope that these people will change their mind about anything at this point.

unmole 5y ago
From the very same source: [0] Because of the coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic, our regular Deaths registered weekly in England and Wales release now provides a separate breakdown of the number of deaths involving COVID-19. That is, where COVID-19 or suspected COVID-19 was mentioned anywhere on the death certificate, including in combination with other health conditions. If a death certificate mentions COVID-19, it will not always be the underlying (main) cause of death, but may be a contributory factor. > Basically more people died at home than normal Is exactly my point. > but these people would have died in hospital anyway. How do you know that? Again, how many died from Covid and how many died with Covid? You can't answer that because the data simply isn't good enough. > so there is plenty of evidence that lockdowns and restrictions themselves don’t cause excess mortality. Hospitals didn't stop taking non emergency cases for shits and giggles. Nobody shut down hospitals in lockdowns. In many cases the healthcare infrastructure was stretched to the breaking point because of high Covid case loads. The point of lockdowns was to flatten the curve and protect the healthcare system. They seemed to have worked in some places and they clearly failed in others. There are multiple factors at play including population demographics which greatly vary across geographies. And that is without even considering the second order effects. Pretending that there are simple answers and explainations is equal parts disingenuous and delusional. 0: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/methodologies/coronavirusandmortalityinenglandandwalesmethodology https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsde...
- thebruce87m 5y ago
  > How do you know that? From the same source: Our analysis shows that many of these deaths at home were people who, in a non-pandemic year, may have typically died elsewhere such as in hospital. I’m not really sure what you’re getting at with the rest of your comment.

unmole 5y ago

From the very same source: [0] Because of the coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic, our regular Deaths registered weekly in England and Wales release now provides a separate breakdown of the number of deaths involving COVID-19. That is, where COVID-19 or suspected COVID-19 was mentioned anywhere on the death certificate, including in combination with other health conditions. If a death certificate mentions COVID-19, it will not always be the underlying (main) cause of death, but may be a contributory factor. > Basically more people died at home than normal Is exactly my point. > but these people would have died in hospital anyway. How do you know that? Again, how many died from Covid and how many died with Covid? You can't answer that because the data simply isn't good enough. > so there is plenty of evidence that lockdowns and restrictions themselves don’t cause excess mortality. Hospitals didn't stop taking non emergency cases for shits and giggles. Nobody shut down hospitals in lockdowns. In many cases the healthcare infrastructure was stretched to the breaking point because of high Covid case loads. The point of lockdowns was to flatten the curve and protect the healthcare system. They seemed to have worked in some places and they clearly failed in others. There are multiple factors at play including population demographics which greatly vary across geographies. And that is without even considering the second order effects. Pretending that there are simple answers and explainations is equal parts disingenuous and delusional. 0: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/methodologies/coronavirusandmortalityinenglandandwalesmethodology https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsde...

thebruce87m 5y ago
> How do you know that? From the same source: Our analysis shows that many of these deaths at home were people who, in a non-pandemic year, may have typically died elsewhere such as in hospital. I’m not really sure what you’re getting at with the rest of your comment.