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It's really transparent to anyone who's flown. He spends no time debugging, no time communicating, no time looking for somewhere to land. He had a lot of altitu

by ehnto 5y ago

It's really transparent to anyone who's flown. He spends no time debugging, no time communicating, no time looking for somewhere to land. He had a lot of altitude and his immediate thought was "Oh ok I guess it's broken, seeeeyaaaaa". Amongst all the other callouts, like why a parachute, why so many cameras strapped up, some timeline incongruities, some camera shot incongruities. His flight path made no sense. It was well executed enough to trick your regular view I'm sure, but it did not stand up to scrutiny, and you better believe the FAA was going to scrutinize.

PUSH_AX 5y ago
As a regular viewer (I don't fly) it still looked off.
qwertox 5y ago
His door already being open while the engine turns off.
traceroute66 5y ago
> He spends no time debugging, no time communicating, no time looking for somewhere to land. Yup. He spent most of his time doing absolutely nothing, just maintaining back-pressure on the yoke and holding the aircraft in the stall. I suppose at least he was lucky enough to pick an aircraft with docile stall characteristics. Somehow he does not strike me as the sort of person who could manage to recover from a wing-drop and induced spin. Frankly shame on YouTube for allowing the video to remain on their platform
- Breza 5y ago
  > he was lucky enough to pick an aircraft with docile stall characteristics Evidence suggests he may have bought the plane explicitly for this stunt. He's an experienced sky diver, so I imagine he knows what kind of plane is good for a pilot looking to bail.
- jhugo 5y ago
  > Frankly shame on YouTube for allowing the video to remain on their platform I was nodding until this bit... why do you think YouTube should censor this? It's a real video of a real thing that he did (which he misrepresents the circumstances of). I could possibly get on board with "put an explanatory note next to it" or "don't let him get ad revenue from it", but what possible reason would there be for deleting it?
  - phatfish 5y ago
    There doesn't need to be a reason, if YouTube want's to remove a video from their platform they are free to do so.
    - can16358p 5y ago
      But why would YouTube want to do that? What he did is obviously wrong, dangerous, and stupid, but still I see no reason from YouTube's side to remove the video.
      - posco 5y ago
        Perhaps they would remove it if they are concerned their platform could be incentivizing wrong, dangerous or stupid behavior and they worry about the brand damage that does or have ethical problems profiting off that.
        wyclif 5y ago
        This is what I was thinking. I didn't find the video here on HN. A few weeks ago my 11 year old son told me about it. Like a lot of kids his age, becoming a YouTuber is aspirational, and his reaction was "that is crazy" but it was also "this guy just raised the ante on Mr. Beast." It's only going to make some YouTubers try to top it with some kind of dangerous Johnny Knoxville-type stunt.
        ghaff 5y ago
        "Wrong" = criminal (?) maybe. Though this guy hasn't actually been prosecuted and may well never be. But if you're going to ban dangerous/stupid video someone has to make that determination. And you can be sure that there are a ton of activities that are dangerous/stupid in the eyes of some people (even understandably so). BASE jumping, wingsuits, really any kind of extreme sports, stuff with explosives, etc.
- tentacleuno 5y ago
  He spends most of his time worrying about taping it for YouTube.
TheRealSteel 5y ago
It was really obvious to me as someone who hasn't flown, even. As a layman it was obvious there would be at least a checklist of things you'd try first. Like to get the engine running again, figure out if there's anywhere close enough to land/ditch safely, radio ATC, etcetera. And he didn't appear surprised or stressed out, he looked like he was expecting it. Plus having the parachute on in advance, and so many cameras? But this guy? This guy just pressed triangle and immediately pulled a full on GTA-V move.
- wyclif 5y ago
  Also pretty obvious that this guy is no outdoorsman. He complains about not being able to get signal so he can call 911, but then he walks down a ravine and then down a dry river bed. In that situation, you need to climb UP, not down, and get as much elevation and clearance as possible.
  - NovemberWhiskey 5y ago
    Fun factoid: one of the cornerstone references for search-and-rescue planning is a reference work called "Lost Person Behavior"[1] ... it has empirical data on how people tend to behave in various situations based on categorization of their circumstances. For example, despondent people have historically tended to behave differently from those suffering dementia or lost hikers or plane crash survivors. The text includes statistical data on where lost people have been found relative to the initial planning point for a search (e.g. last known point) - how far away, what type of terrain, whether they tend to go uphill or downhill etc. One of the largest step-changes in lost person behavior came with the general adoption of the cellphone: many, many people now tend to go uphill than before - specifically in the hope of finding cellphone coverage. [1] https://www.dbs-sar.com/LPB/lpb.htm https://www.dbs-sar.com/LPB/lpb.htm
    - ghaff 5y ago
      >One of the largest step-changes in lost person behavior came with the general adoption of the cellphone: many, many people now tend to go uphill than before - specifically in the hope of finding cellphone coverage. Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest. Historically, it was pretty situational if you should stay put and make yourself safe and visible to rescuers or if you should try to self-rescue. But my sense is today the general impulse is to call for rescue--with the caveat that many of the places people are most likely to get in trouble are the least likely to have cell phone reception.
kashunstva 5y ago
AMEL IA here. I've seen a lot of near-accident videos and they all show the initiation of the accident sequence and allow you to step through the process the PIC went through to either _cause_ and/or _get out of_ the incident. This video had none of those qualities. Trim for best glide speed? Nope. Head on a swivel looking for suitable alternates? Nope. The performative display of pumping the yoke? Engine is out and the pilot is trying to do what? Precipitate an aerodynamic stall? I can think of very few disciplines that are more contradictory than the juxtaposition of aviation with the "influencer"/social media spectrum. Hopefully the FAA revocation of his certificate paves the way for law enforcement to look into fraud and other issues.
- Breza 5y ago
  Exactly! I wonder why he didn't at least act like he ran out of options before bailing out. "OK, there's an airport over there." <banks slightly> "Oh crap, I'm losing too much altitude! I'll never make it! Time to bail out! Buy a Ridge Wallet!"
- zasdffaa 5y ago
  > AMEL IA here. If you're not one of Tony Stark's AIs, what might this mean?
  - abakker 5y ago
    Airplane, Multi-engine, Land. IA seems to mean he is a flight instructor.
spookthesunset 5y ago
I don’t even think it was enough to trick a regular viewer. It was pretty over the top!

by ehnto 5y ago

PUSH_AX 5y ago

As a regular viewer (I don't fly) it still looked off.

qwertox 5y ago

His door already being open while the engine turns off.

traceroute66 5y ago

> He spends no time debugging, no time communicating, no time looking for somewhere to land. Yup. He spent most of his time doing absolutely nothing, just maintaining back-pressure on the yoke and holding the aircraft in the stall. I suppose at least he was lucky enough to pick an aircraft with docile stall characteristics. Somehow he does not strike me as the sort of person who could manage to recover from a wing-drop and induced spin. Frankly shame on YouTube for allowing the video to remain on their platform

Breza 5y ago
> he was lucky enough to pick an aircraft with docile stall characteristics Evidence suggests he may have bought the plane explicitly for this stunt. He's an experienced sky diver, so I imagine he knows what kind of plane is good for a pilot looking to bail.
jhugo 5y ago
> Frankly shame on YouTube for allowing the video to remain on their platform I was nodding until this bit... why do you think YouTube should censor this? It's a real video of a real thing that he did (which he misrepresents the circumstances of). I could possibly get on board with "put an explanatory note next to it" or "don't let him get ad revenue from it", but what possible reason would there be for deleting it?
- phatfish 5y ago
  There doesn't need to be a reason, if YouTube want's to remove a video from their platform they are free to do so.
  - can16358p 5y ago
    But why would YouTube want to do that? What he did is obviously wrong, dangerous, and stupid, but still I see no reason from YouTube's side to remove the video.
    - posco 5y ago
      Perhaps they would remove it if they are concerned their platform could be incentivizing wrong, dangerous or stupid behavior and they worry about the brand damage that does or have ethical problems profiting off that.
      - wyclif 5y ago
        This is what I was thinking. I didn't find the video here on HN. A few weeks ago my 11 year old son told me about it. Like a lot of kids his age, becoming a YouTuber is aspirational, and his reaction was "that is crazy" but it was also "this guy just raised the ante on Mr. Beast." It's only going to make some YouTubers try to top it with some kind of dangerous Johnny Knoxville-type stunt.
        ghaff 5y ago
        "Wrong" = criminal (?) maybe. Though this guy hasn't actually been prosecuted and may well never be. But if you're going to ban dangerous/stupid video someone has to make that determination. And you can be sure that there are a ton of activities that are dangerous/stupid in the eyes of some people (even understandably so). BASE jumping, wingsuits, really any kind of extreme sports, stuff with explosives, etc.
tentacleuno 5y ago
He spends most of his time worrying about taping it for YouTube.

TheRealSteel 5y ago

It was really obvious to me as someone who hasn't flown, even. As a layman it was obvious there would be at least a checklist of things you'd try first. Like to get the engine running again, figure out if there's anywhere close enough to land/ditch safely, radio ATC, etcetera. And he didn't appear surprised or stressed out, he looked like he was expecting it. Plus having the parachute on in advance, and so many cameras? But this guy? This guy just pressed triangle and immediately pulled a full on GTA-V move.

wyclif 5y ago
Also pretty obvious that this guy is no outdoorsman. He complains about not being able to get signal so he can call 911, but then he walks down a ravine and then down a dry river bed. In that situation, you need to climb UP, not down, and get as much elevation and clearance as possible.
- NovemberWhiskey 5y ago
  Fun factoid: one of the cornerstone references for search-and-rescue planning is a reference work called "Lost Person Behavior"[1] ... it has empirical data on how people tend to behave in various situations based on categorization of their circumstances. For example, despondent people have historically tended to behave differently from those suffering dementia or lost hikers or plane crash survivors. The text includes statistical data on where lost people have been found relative to the initial planning point for a search (e.g. last known point) - how far away, what type of terrain, whether they tend to go uphill or downhill etc. One of the largest step-changes in lost person behavior came with the general adoption of the cellphone: many, many people now tend to go uphill than before - specifically in the hope of finding cellphone coverage. [1] https://www.dbs-sar.com/LPB/lpb.htm https://www.dbs-sar.com/LPB/lpb.htm
  - ghaff 5y ago
    >One of the largest step-changes in lost person behavior came with the general adoption of the cellphone: many, many people now tend to go uphill than before - specifically in the hope of finding cellphone coverage. Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest. Historically, it was pretty situational if you should stay put and make yourself safe and visible to rescuers or if you should try to self-rescue. But my sense is today the general impulse is to call for rescue--with the caveat that many of the places people are most likely to get in trouble are the least likely to have cell phone reception.

kashunstva 5y ago

AMEL IA here. I've seen a lot of near-accident videos and they all show the initiation of the accident sequence and allow you to step through the process the PIC went through to either _cause_ and/or _get out of_ the incident. This video had none of those qualities. Trim for best glide speed? Nope. Head on a swivel looking for suitable alternates? Nope. The performative display of pumping the yoke? Engine is out and the pilot is trying to do what? Precipitate an aerodynamic stall? I can think of very few disciplines that are more contradictory than the juxtaposition of aviation with the "influencer"/social media spectrum. Hopefully the FAA revocation of his certificate paves the way for law enforcement to look into fraud and other issues.

Breza 5y ago
Exactly! I wonder why he didn't at least act like he ran out of options before bailing out. "OK, there's an airport over there." <banks slightly> "Oh crap, I'm losing too much altitude! I'll never make it! Time to bail out! Buy a Ridge Wallet!"
zasdffaa 5y ago
> AMEL IA here. If you're not one of Tony Stark's AIs, what might this mean?
- abakker 5y ago
  Airplane, Multi-engine, Land. IA seems to mean he is a flight instructor.

spookthesunset 5y ago

I don’t even think it was enough to trick a regular viewer. It was pretty over the top!