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I’m skeptical that there is much in the way of structural racism these days, but moreover, you can acknowledge a racist system while remaining colorblind. You c

I’m skeptical that there is much in the way of structural racism these days, but moreover, you can acknowledge a racist system while remaining colorblind. You can recognize that society racializes people without racializing people yourself. I don’t see how race conscious changes are helpful in the first place, much less are a prerequisite for colorblindness—if you have a racist system, it means the system isn’t colorblind, so just go straight to making it colorblind—why pass through a “color conscious” state (I also don’t understand the distinction between “color conscious” and “racist” except for connotations). That said, I would be curious to understand what systems and cultural institutions you believe to be structurally racist and how they operate and so on.

philosopher1234 5y ago
I don’t have a developed enough view to argue this well. I’ve just been listening to a lot of Ezra Klein and engaging with a lot of leftist sources for a bit now and it’s made me much more sympathetic to these views, which previously seemed pretty empty and useless to me. So, yea, I can’t really do it justice. It was sad for me because I’ve engaged with you in the past in defenses of Go and you made some really insightful points, so I began to count you as one of my HN heroes, and all my HN heroes (and other online heroes of mine) have left leaning politics from what I gather, so learning that you perhaps don’t required me to do some reconciling. But yea, I can’t give a specific accounting of racist institutions.
- throwaway894345 5y ago
  I’m flattered, but I stay away from partisan politics as they’re often tribalistic and devoid of principle. I have a handful of left-wing positions (e.g., universal healthcare, environmentalism, etc) and I remain open minded about left-wing positions, but mostly I’m a liberal in the philosophical sense—free speech, equality, human rights, democracy, etc (I have a few right-wing positions as well, like a general preference for market-based solutions). The BLM adjacent ideologies conflict with my liberal values.

philosopher1234 5y ago

I don’t have a developed enough view to argue this well. I’ve just been listening to a lot of Ezra Klein and engaging with a lot of leftist sources for a bit now and it’s made me much more sympathetic to these views, which previously seemed pretty empty and useless to me. So, yea, I can’t really do it justice. It was sad for me because I’ve engaged with you in the past in defenses of Go and you made some really insightful points, so I began to count you as one of my HN heroes, and all my HN heroes (and other online heroes of mine) have left leaning politics from what I gather, so learning that you perhaps don’t required me to do some reconciling. But yea, I can’t give a specific accounting of racist institutions.

throwaway894345 5y ago
I’m flattered, but I stay away from partisan politics as they’re often tribalistic and devoid of principle. I have a handful of left-wing positions (e.g., universal healthcare, environmentalism, etc) and I remain open minded about left-wing positions, but mostly I’m a liberal in the philosophical sense—free speech, equality, human rights, democracy, etc (I have a few right-wing positions as well, like a general preference for market-based solutions). The BLM adjacent ideologies conflict with my liberal values.