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I've worked full time for the last 3 days on a quest 2 using Immersed. Although I'm liking the experience, it's still not as good as my regular 3 monitor setup.

by phowat 4y ago

I've worked full time for the last 3 days on a quest 2 using Immersed. Although I'm liking the experience, it's still not as good as my regular 3 monitor setup. But there are already a lot of advantages and after this brief period, I firmly believe that this is going to be a very common setup in 2 or 3 years at most. I really hope Simula succeeds as I'd love an open and not-attached-to-facebook alternative to my current setup. Sadly, their current offerings are a little out of my price range.

benoliver999 4y ago
I've been in the same position as you, also on Immersed, and I just can't quite get used to reading text and editing code in VR. I think part of it is that you have to move your head not your eyes, and that's not how I tend to read. I have been really impressed with the hardware though. Games are good. Tracking is super precise. The way passthrough video is handled is really clever. I want it to be my multi-monitor setup but it's just not quite doing it for me yet.
- georgewsinger 4y ago
  > I think part of it is that you have to move your head not your eyes, and that's not how I tend to read. We're pushing hard on high pixel density to get around this issue. For comparison to the Quest 2, we have basically 70%+ better pixel density, which allows you to compress more text into a smaller area without having to crank your neck around to read everything.[1][2] [1] For specs comparison: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29699702 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29699702 [2] For technical details on how we achieve such high PPD: https://simulavr.com/blog/ppd-optics/ https://simulavr.com/blog/ppd-optics/
  - taneq 4y ago
    How big is the 'sweet spot' of the lenses? I run an OG Samsung Odyssey HMD and while it's nicer than any other headset I've used (although a mate just got an Index so I'll get to try that sometime soon) I can still only look left/right by ~20° before I start losing visual quality.
    - kanetw 4y ago
      You can gaze anywhere without significant quality loss (slight PPD reduction past 20 degrees but it's not really noticeable and it's uncomfortable to have your eyes that far away from center)
      - benoliver999 4y ago
        This could be the key. In the oculus you can't really move away from centre (for text) and I'm finding it weird.
georgewsinger 4y ago
Appreciate your support! > Sadly, their current offerings are a little out of my price range. Yeah, our pricing is one of our project's biggest weaknesses. Unfortunately, upfront capital costs and low scale basically force things to be this way. With that said, our VR computer is still reasonably competitive against other premium office laptops and ultra-premium (high PPD) VR/AR gaming headsets. We made a post about this here.[1] TLDR: we're offering a headset as good as the tethered Varjo Aero (priced at $2K), with a premium-spec computer as good as a top-shelf Lenovo X1 Carbon bolted on as well (making up for the remaining $699 in price). Finally: if it helps, we made a $100 off discount code you can apply at checkout: "DISCOUNT_HN". This applies even if you opt for the partial deposit ($1,499 now; $1,499 later) pre-order option. [1] https://simulavr.com/blog/why-is-the-simula-one-so-expensive/ https://simulavr.com/blog/why-is-the-simula-one-so-expensive...
- phowat 4y ago
  I totally agree with you. To clarify, your device is too expensive for me because I live in a country which has huge import taxes and a currency which is really devaluated in relation to the US dollar. If I could purchase it without paying those taxes , I would have already made a preorder. This was not a complaint about the price .
jimmySixDOF 4y ago
This recent article by Rick Casteel (XRforWork on Facebook) is a good overview of the current software/hardware options for Personal Productivity Using Virtual Reality [1] Immersed is excellent now with the keyboard visibility and I also like vSpatial but it's all still highly dependant on your individual app behaviors like how they do scrolling/zooming/spawning windows etc. so lots of trial and error. [1] https://medium.com/xr4work/personal-productivity-using-virtual-reality-83ab4e0ff9bb https://medium.com/xr4work/personal-productivity-using-virtu...
- supermatt 4y ago
  > Immersed is excellent now with the keyboard visibility Is it though? the overlay keyboard never seemed quite accurate enough, and with passthrough you cant see what the keys are. Maybe for touch typing its ok, but for us mortals its simply not good enough.

by phowat 4y ago

benoliver999 4y ago

I've been in the same position as you, also on Immersed, and I just can't quite get used to reading text and editing code in VR. I think part of it is that you have to move your head not your eyes, and that's not how I tend to read. I have been really impressed with the hardware though. Games are good. Tracking is super precise. The way passthrough video is handled is really clever. I want it to be my multi-monitor setup but it's just not quite doing it for me yet.

georgewsinger 4y ago
> I think part of it is that you have to move your head not your eyes, and that's not how I tend to read. We're pushing hard on high pixel density to get around this issue. For comparison to the Quest 2, we have basically 70%+ better pixel density, which allows you to compress more text into a smaller area without having to crank your neck around to read everything.[1][2] [1] For specs comparison: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29699702 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29699702 [2] For technical details on how we achieve such high PPD: https://simulavr.com/blog/ppd-optics/ https://simulavr.com/blog/ppd-optics/
- taneq 4y ago
  How big is the 'sweet spot' of the lenses? I run an OG Samsung Odyssey HMD and while it's nicer than any other headset I've used (although a mate just got an Index so I'll get to try that sometime soon) I can still only look left/right by ~20° before I start losing visual quality.
  - kanetw 4y ago
    You can gaze anywhere without significant quality loss (slight PPD reduction past 20 degrees but it's not really noticeable and it's uncomfortable to have your eyes that far away from center)
    - benoliver999 4y ago
      This could be the key. In the oculus you can't really move away from centre (for text) and I'm finding it weird.

georgewsinger 4y ago

Appreciate your support! > Sadly, their current offerings are a little out of my price range. Yeah, our pricing is one of our project's biggest weaknesses. Unfortunately, upfront capital costs and low scale basically force things to be this way. With that said, our VR computer is still reasonably competitive against other premium office laptops and ultra-premium (high PPD) VR/AR gaming headsets. We made a post about this here.[1] TLDR: we're offering a headset as good as the tethered Varjo Aero (priced at $2K), with a premium-spec computer as good as a top-shelf Lenovo X1 Carbon bolted on as well (making up for the remaining $699 in price). Finally: if it helps, we made a $100 off discount code you can apply at checkout: "DISCOUNT_HN". This applies even if you opt for the partial deposit ($1,499 now; $1,499 later) pre-order option. [1] https://simulavr.com/blog/why-is-the-simula-one-so-expensive/ https://simulavr.com/blog/why-is-the-simula-one-so-expensive...

phowat 4y ago
I totally agree with you. To clarify, your device is too expensive for me because I live in a country which has huge import taxes and a currency which is really devaluated in relation to the US dollar. If I could purchase it without paying those taxes , I would have already made a preorder. This was not a complaint about the price .

jimmySixDOF 4y ago

This recent article by Rick Casteel (XRforWork on Facebook) is a good overview of the current software/hardware options for Personal Productivity Using Virtual Reality [1] Immersed is excellent now with the keyboard visibility and I also like vSpatial but it's all still highly dependant on your individual app behaviors like how they do scrolling/zooming/spawning windows etc. so lots of trial and error. [1] https://medium.com/xr4work/personal-productivity-using-virtual-reality-83ab4e0ff9bb https://medium.com/xr4work/personal-productivity-using-virtu...

supermatt 4y ago
> Immersed is excellent now with the keyboard visibility Is it though? the overlay keyboard never seemed quite accurate enough, and with passthrough you cant see what the keys are. Maybe for touch typing its ok, but for us mortals its simply not good enough.