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No reason to feel sad. Simply move back to your own country and start fixing problems. Your country needs you. Germans probably feel sad too about the fact that

by sprash 4y ago

No reason to feel sad. Simply move back to your own country and start fixing problems. Your country needs you. Germans probably feel sad too about the fact that their country is turned into a generic settlement area for economic opportunists.

omegaworks 4y ago
>Simply move back to your own country and start fixing problems. Spoken with the confidence (and arrogance?) of someone that's not aware of how rich countries help to create the problems that cause young people to flee their homelands.
- sprash 4y ago
  The people living in Germany did not cause inflation in Turkey.
- themitigating 4y ago
  Are you sure? Isn't the current inflation and investment issues in Turkey caused by Erdogan? He remains in power by blaming "the west" without providing details and using nationalism to gain votes [1]. He then also gets votes by pandering to conservative Muslims.[2][3]. It's similar to what's going on in the US [1]https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/13/erdogan-blames-turkeys-currency-woes-on-foreign-financial-tools-as-central-bank-reserves-fall.html https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/13/erdogan-blames-turkeys-curre... [2]https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/14683857.2019.1580828 https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/14683857.2019.1...
aranelsurion 4y ago
> Germans probably feel sad too about the fact that their country is turned into a generic settlement area for economic opportunists. Why would Germans feel sad about software developers (listed as shortage occupation in Germany) and other educated/experienced mid-class workers moving in to Germany, getting things done and paying taxes?
- sprash 4y ago
  There is no shortage because across the board wages are rising much slower than inflation. Considering software developers specifically: The wages in Europe are much lower than in the US. We are talking about less than 50% after taxes. And in Germany wages for software developers are even lower than UK, Netherlands, Scandinavia, Switzerland and even parts of France (Paris). Conclusion: there is no shortage of software developers in Germany. Not by a long shot.
  - weatherlite 4y ago
    IF there is a shortage, which I agree there probably isn't, it is exacerbated by relatively low salaries that keeps Europeans from entering the field. Why become a software engineer in Germany? Unless you make it into FAANG you are not much better off than becoming a schoolteacher yet you get none of the benefits like job security and long holidays. Schoolteachers don't become "old" when they turn 40. I wouldn't bother with software development in Europe it is not a great career path. European companies can fetch cheap workers from the 3rd world really easily and the next step is to simply hire them remotely. The ones who make decent wages in European tech are only managers or scrum masters, never the people who actually write the code.
- Amezarak 4y ago
  Because there is more to your community and culture than increasing GDP. A major industry moved to my local area about 30 years ago. It radically transformed a unique area into an Anywhere, USA suburbia, with tons of people coming (and going) from all over the country (and some other countries.) Nothing is the same anymore, and most of it is objectively worse - much higher crime, for example. The tight-knit high trust community is completely gone. A lot of local culture is gone. But there's higher tax receipts and the roads have more lanes, so uh, there's that.
johnthewise 4y ago
>Your country needs you. He doesn't need his country though. >economic opportunists that includes all the people that ever lived right? Should Americans feel sad the best of the Germans are trying to move to US?

by sprash 4y ago

omegaworks 4y ago

>Simply move back to your own country and start fixing problems. Spoken with the confidence (and arrogance?) of someone that's not aware of how rich countries help to create the problems that cause young people to flee their homelands.

sprash 4y ago
The people living in Germany did not cause inflation in Turkey.
themitigating 4y ago
Are you sure? Isn't the current inflation and investment issues in Turkey caused by Erdogan? He remains in power by blaming "the west" without providing details and using nationalism to gain votes [1]. He then also gets votes by pandering to conservative Muslims.[2][3]. It's similar to what's going on in the US [1]https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/13/erdogan-blames-turkeys-currency-woes-on-foreign-financial-tools-as-central-bank-reserves-fall.html https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/13/erdogan-blames-turkeys-curre... [2]https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/14683857.2019.1580828 https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/14683857.2019.1...

aranelsurion 4y ago

> Germans probably feel sad too about the fact that their country is turned into a generic settlement area for economic opportunists. Why would Germans feel sad about software developers (listed as shortage occupation in Germany) and other educated/experienced mid-class workers moving in to Germany, getting things done and paying taxes?

sprash 4y ago
There is no shortage because across the board wages are rising much slower than inflation. Considering software developers specifically: The wages in Europe are much lower than in the US. We are talking about less than 50% after taxes. And in Germany wages for software developers are even lower than UK, Netherlands, Scandinavia, Switzerland and even parts of France (Paris). Conclusion: there is no shortage of software developers in Germany. Not by a long shot.
- weatherlite 4y ago
  IF there is a shortage, which I agree there probably isn't, it is exacerbated by relatively low salaries that keeps Europeans from entering the field. Why become a software engineer in Germany? Unless you make it into FAANG you are not much better off than becoming a schoolteacher yet you get none of the benefits like job security and long holidays. Schoolteachers don't become "old" when they turn 40. I wouldn't bother with software development in Europe it is not a great career path. European companies can fetch cheap workers from the 3rd world really easily and the next step is to simply hire them remotely. The ones who make decent wages in European tech are only managers or scrum masters, never the people who actually write the code.
Amezarak 4y ago
Because there is more to your community and culture than increasing GDP. A major industry moved to my local area about 30 years ago. It radically transformed a unique area into an Anywhere, USA suburbia, with tons of people coming (and going) from all over the country (and some other countries.) Nothing is the same anymore, and most of it is objectively worse - much higher crime, for example. The tight-knit high trust community is completely gone. A lot of local culture is gone. But there's higher tax receipts and the roads have more lanes, so uh, there's that.

johnthewise 4y ago

>Your country needs you. He doesn't need his country though. >economic opportunists that includes all the people that ever lived right? Should Americans feel sad the best of the Germans are trying to move to US?