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> Visicalc was not free software... but Linux 1.0 is from 1994. Goalposts: shifted. The shift itself is also extremely funny because web3's entire premise is

> Visicalc was not free software... but Linux 1.0 is from 1994. Goalposts: shifted. The shift itself is also extremely funny because web3's entire premise is: "you pay for everything" > The point is not just in having an application, the point is in having an application created under the new paradigm. So, where are they? Where's web3's VisiCalc (1979), emacs (1976), vi (1976)? Douglas Engelbart's Mother of All Demos was in 1968 [1]. Oh, I know the answer. "Bitcoin paper was 14 years ago, smart contracts first proposed over 30 years ago, appeared on Ethereum 7 years ago, but it's still early for this new paradigm because Visicalc, Unix erm Linux, muble mumble" [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJDv-zdhzMY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJDv-zdhzMY

rglullis 5y ago
> Goalposts: shifted. Not at all. It was you and OP who asked for some kind of "killer app" from web3 as a way to justify its existence. My response is to say that this is an absurd ask. Not only is absurd, it already exists, you just prefer to ignore it. I may agree that Bitcoin as a currency is a failed experiment, there is no denying that the possibility of sending value across borders is the killer app already. "Oh, but BTC is volatile!". Yes, but I could in 2011 send money from the US to Brazil instantly without going through any international bank (buy in US exchange with USD, sell it in Brazilian exchanges in BRL, wire from the exchange to my brazilian bank) with minimal exposure to BTC volatility and at a lower cost than the fees charged by the banks. But I am sure you want to ignore that, or find a reason to say that "it doesn't count". I can not fight your own prejudices.
- dmitriid 5y ago
  > Not at all. It was you and OP who asked for some kind of "killer app" from web3. My response is to say that this is an absurd ask. No. Your response is literally "you wouldn't ask Unix people to create VisiCalc instead of compilers", but they did, to which you responded "but it isn't free". > it already exists, you just prefer to ignore it. I may agree that Bitcoin as a currency is a failed experiment, there is no denying that the possibility of sending value across borders is the killer app already. You mean, the thing that people have been doing since the invention of borders is the killer app? > But I am sure you want to ignore that No, I'm not ignoring that. And the reason it doesn't count because original question was about web3, and if all web3 has to offer is sending money across borders, it's not web3, it's Western Union 2.0.
  - rglullis 5y ago
    - dmitriid 5y ago
      "You expect Visicalc, not Unix compilers" "Visicalc isn't free, also Linux" "Killer app is sending money" "You're an idiot" See these and other useful quotes in our New York Times bestseller, "A Crypto Shill's Guide to a Productive Conversation".
      - rglullis 5y ago
        So not only you are misinterpreting every thing I said, you also are resorting to call me a shill? My work is on making it easier to have crypto for e-commerce, focused on stable currencies. If you go look at all my writings and discussions, you will find me telling people to avoid speculation on token price and to not look at crypto for a quick buck. You are completely lost in your hate, dude. Quite fitting for a "anti-crypto toxicity" thread. Go find something better to do with your life.
        dmitriid 5y ago
        dang 5y ago
        Perpetuating flamewars on HN and breaking the site guidelines yourself is not cool, regardless of how wrong someone is or you feel they are, and regardless of how badly they've been behaving. Please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the intended use of the site from now on. This doesn't depend on what other people do.
        dang 5y ago
        You broke the site guidelines repeatedly and egregiously in this thread. That's seriously not cool, and we ban accounts that do it. I don't want to ban you, so please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the intended use of HN from now on.

rglullis 5y ago

> Goalposts: shifted. Not at all. It was you and OP who asked for some kind of "killer app" from web3 as a way to justify its existence. My response is to say that this is an absurd ask. Not only is absurd, it already exists, you just prefer to ignore it. I may agree that Bitcoin as a currency is a failed experiment, there is no denying that the possibility of sending value across borders is the killer app already. "Oh, but BTC is volatile!". Yes, but I could in 2011 send money from the US to Brazil instantly without going through any international bank (buy in US exchange with USD, sell it in Brazilian exchanges in BRL, wire from the exchange to my brazilian bank) with minimal exposure to BTC volatility and at a lower cost than the fees charged by the banks. But I am sure you want to ignore that, or find a reason to say that "it doesn't count". I can not fight your own prejudices.

dmitriid 5y ago
> Not at all. It was you and OP who asked for some kind of "killer app" from web3. My response is to say that this is an absurd ask. No. Your response is literally "you wouldn't ask Unix people to create VisiCalc instead of compilers", but they did, to which you responded "but it isn't free". > it already exists, you just prefer to ignore it. I may agree that Bitcoin as a currency is a failed experiment, there is no denying that the possibility of sending value across borders is the killer app already. You mean, the thing that people have been doing since the invention of borders is the killer app? > But I am sure you want to ignore that No, I'm not ignoring that. And the reason it doesn't count because original question was about web3, and if all web3 has to offer is sending money across borders, it's not web3, it's Western Union 2.0.
- rglullis 5y ago
  - dmitriid 5y ago
    "You expect Visicalc, not Unix compilers" "Visicalc isn't free, also Linux" "Killer app is sending money" "You're an idiot" See these and other useful quotes in our New York Times bestseller, "A Crypto Shill's Guide to a Productive Conversation".
    - rglullis 5y ago
      So not only you are misinterpreting every thing I said, you also are resorting to call me a shill? My work is on making it easier to have crypto for e-commerce, focused on stable currencies. If you go look at all my writings and discussions, you will find me telling people to avoid speculation on token price and to not look at crypto for a quick buck. You are completely lost in your hate, dude. Quite fitting for a "anti-crypto toxicity" thread. Go find something better to do with your life.
      - dmitriid 5y ago
        dang 5y ago
        Perpetuating flamewars on HN and breaking the site guidelines yourself is not cool, regardless of how wrong someone is or you feel they are, and regardless of how badly they've been behaving. Please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the intended use of the site from now on. This doesn't depend on what other people do.
      - dang 5y ago
        You broke the site guidelines repeatedly and egregiously in this thread. That's seriously not cool, and we ban accounts that do it. I don't want to ban you, so please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the intended use of HN from now on.