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Thanks for proving my point with perfect irony.

by gotaquestion 4y ago

gojomo 4y ago
And thanks to you, for demonstrating your flimsy analogy can only be defended with attitude, not reasoning!
- ModernMech 4y ago
  The point I think the parent was making is not that they are analogous situations, but that in the reasoning they've encountered (and you helpfully provided to illustrate their point), one could literally just swap the positive aspects for negative aspects, and it would read as supportive of socialism and against crypto. Here: Socialist governments have been a mix of successes & failures, among the very-privileged who can afford to take risks, for just the last ~100y. Everyone involved knows there's a lot of things left to solve, but sees reasons for hope. For 13+ years, the most fervently 'crypto' fanboys have promised various utopias but actually delivered scams, fraud, pathologically dishonest companies, and even financial ruin on a larger scale than other technologies. It's the same exact logic. (please note I am not comparing genocide and financial ruin as being analogous)
  - gojomo 4y ago
    Thanks for at least trying to explain! Of course you can always do a MadLibs-style search and replace on rhetoric. But are the resulting linguistic similarities relevant in the real world? Isn’t all the real impact on people - who aren’t mere language models - dependent on the relevant magnitudes, & other salient distinctions? We real people suffer financial losses, or bleed, or starve, or die in revolutionary purges & prison camps. Of those 4 outcomes, only the 1st one can be blamed on some subsets of the 13yo cryptoeconomics movement. For the last three, you've got to wage a "socialist" war on other traditional economic arrangements over decades. Crypto believers don't have "limitless patience". If after 100y, the fiercest crypto zealots have killed tens or hundreds of millions, they'll update their beliefs. (Probably, much sooner.)
    - gotaquestion 4y ago
      The reason I didn't try to engage with you is your awful and misinformed reasoning in your original reply, and your post history, which indicates you aren't worth the time. If you had a history of intelligent comments and not trolls, you would be worth engaging with. Maybe clean up your act a little and people will take you more seriously?
      - gojomo 4y ago
        I'm quite comfortable with my 15+ year comment history, associated with my real name – especially as compared to a 55-day-old anon account that just expresses peeved attitude, above as here, instead of reasoning. But hey, thanks for at least describing Zcash's privacy-protecting-qualities accurately in a sibling thread.

Thanks for proving my point with perfect irony.

gojomo 4y ago

And thanks to you, for demonstrating your flimsy analogy can only be defended with attitude, not reasoning!

ModernMech 4y ago
The point I think the parent was making is not that they are analogous situations, but that in the reasoning they've encountered (and you helpfully provided to illustrate their point), one could literally just swap the positive aspects for negative aspects, and it would read as supportive of socialism and against crypto. Here: Socialist governments have been a mix of successes & failures, among the very-privileged who can afford to take risks, for just the last ~100y. Everyone involved knows there's a lot of things left to solve, but sees reasons for hope. For 13+ years, the most fervently 'crypto' fanboys have promised various utopias but actually delivered scams, fraud, pathologically dishonest companies, and even financial ruin on a larger scale than other technologies. It's the same exact logic. (please note I am not comparing genocide and financial ruin as being analogous)
- gojomo 4y ago
  Thanks for at least trying to explain! Of course you can always do a MadLibs-style search and replace on rhetoric. But are the resulting linguistic similarities relevant in the real world? Isn’t all the real impact on people - who aren’t mere language models - dependent on the relevant magnitudes, & other salient distinctions? We real people suffer financial losses, or bleed, or starve, or die in revolutionary purges & prison camps. Of those 4 outcomes, only the 1st one can be blamed on some subsets of the 13yo cryptoeconomics movement. For the last three, you've got to wage a "socialist" war on other traditional economic arrangements over decades. Crypto believers don't have "limitless patience". If after 100y, the fiercest crypto zealots have killed tens or hundreds of millions, they'll update their beliefs. (Probably, much sooner.)
  - gotaquestion 4y ago
    The reason I didn't try to engage with you is your awful and misinformed reasoning in your original reply, and your post history, which indicates you aren't worth the time. If you had a history of intelligent comments and not trolls, you would be worth engaging with. Maybe clean up your act a little and people will take you more seriously?
    - gojomo 4y ago
      I'm quite comfortable with my 15+ year comment history, associated with my real name – especially as compared to a 55-day-old anon account that just expresses peeved attitude, above as here, instead of reasoning. But hey, thanks for at least describing Zcash's privacy-protecting-qualities accurately in a sibling thread.