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Did you read this article? It's re: functionality that would notify a parent account if a child account had received or sent a message potentially containing nu
by ribosometronome 5y ago
Did you read this article? It's re: functionality that would notify a parent account if a child account had received or sent a message potentially containing nudity. It's a difficult thing to force upon folk who don't want it, as you don't have to mark accounts as being for children.
- zmgsabst 5y agoRight — and how long until they (re)deploy CSAM scanning for all accounts, based on the same technology?
- Someone 5y agoIf we forbade all technology that could be used to do harm, we wouldn’t have much technology left, if any. Hammers can and have been used to kill people, as have axes, bricks, cars, electricity, fire, gas, ropes, water, etc. In this case, the question is whether you trust Apple to do what it says it does and not more. If you do, you can use the current iPhone. If you don’t, you can’t use any iPhone they ever produced.
- nomel 5y ago> (re)deploy CSAM scanning for all accounts Isn't Apple already scanning, just in iCloud, like all the other cloud providers?
- theshrike79 5y agoYep, it's pretty much the cost of doing business if you're a cloud storage operator. You either automate the search or your servers will get investigated by the FBI.
- misnome 5y agoHow does this help them do that, when they could just do it anyway?
- zmgsabst 5y agoBy normalizing an idea they were previously rebuked for implementing (“we’ll scan all your photos for goodness!”) into a context people accept under “think of the children”. See how readily your sibling comments accept the premise and normalization of photos on a device being scanned as long as it’s appropriately contextualized — and then you wait five years, say you need to do even more to stop CSAM, and roll out the original scanning of all photos, everywhere.
- ribosometronome 5y agoI don't believe it's based on the "same technology" in any meaningful manner. My understanding was that CSAM scanning was based on comparing perceptual hashes to known CSAM images. This doesn't seem like it would be particularly effective at preventing sexual images from being sent to minors because Apple doesn't have a collection of hashes every sexual image including ones yet to be taken. Apple's got a FAQ for this at https://www.apple.com/child-safety/pdf/Expanded_Protections_for_Children_Frequently_Asked_Questions.pdf https://www.apple.com/child-safety/pdf/Expanded_Protections_... that explicitly states: >These two features are not the same and do not use the same technology. but doesn't clarify the differences. Gotta imagine they're referring to the distinction I made because, again, Apple's probably not developed some sort of precognitive nudie hashing. Just spitballing but I'd imagine they're using some ML model trained to detect generic adult images, y'know, the same technology that they're using the make the Photos app more searchable. But detecting generic adult images has been around for ages.
- browningstreet 5y agoCan we please differentiate between "CSAM" and "not CSAM"? They said they were going to deploy CSAM, and then they retracted (albeit temporarily). A lot of what made CSAM a concerning issue for many (including me) isn't in effect for this particular feature. Maybe they'll redeploy CSAM, maybe they won't, but this isn't CSAM.