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Can someone please tell me what religion has anything to do with this? No religion I'm aware of forbids you from using someone's preferred pronouns.

eesmith 4y ago
Religion has something to do with this because, quoting the article: > According to ADF, the university ruled that Meriwether should use the student's correct pronouns — which Meriwether argued spoke "contrary to his religious convictions and philosophical beliefs."
- deadbolt 4y ago
  So can I argue that it's my religious belief that I need to call everyone 'jackass'? I would think there would need to be actual religious grounds for the claim, which I don't believe there are. No religion I'm aware of says you can't address someone by the pronouns for their preferred gender identity. Can you really just say "religion!" and then do whatever you want?
  - eesmith 4y ago
    Here is the claim, quoting https://adfmedia.org/press-release/court-consider-whether-ohio-university-violated-professors-first-amendment-rights https://adfmedia.org/press-release/court-consider-whether-oh... (linked to from this article): > Although the philosophy professor offered to use the student’s preferred first or last name, and university officials initially agreed that was an acceptable compromise, officials then changed course and forced Dr. Meriwether either to speak what he believed to be untrue or to remain silent, all contrary to his own Christian convictions and philosophical beliefs. The argument appears to be that Meriwether does not believe the student's preferred pronoun is correct, and using it would therefore be a falsehood which violates his Christian belief.
  - drewbug01 4y ago
    > Can you really just say "religion!" and then do whatever you want? Whether or not you can do so really depends on what "religion!" you're actually claiming, and the biases of the people involved in trying your case. What this kind of thing _usually_ signals in the US is "a conservative Christian is discriminating against an LGBT person in some way, and claiming that their first amendment freedom of religion rights are being violated if they aren't allowed to continue discriminating." And basically that succeeds sometimes, because Christianity is the dominant religion in the country; but more so because the vocal part of Christianity that is rabidly anti-LGBT is surprisingly well-funded and surprisingly oft-found in places that matter. In this case, the federal court of appeals.
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eesmith 4y ago

Religion has something to do with this because, quoting the article: > According to ADF, the university ruled that Meriwether should use the student's correct pronouns — which Meriwether argued spoke "contrary to his religious convictions and philosophical beliefs."

deadbolt 4y ago
So can I argue that it's my religious belief that I need to call everyone 'jackass'? I would think there would need to be actual religious grounds for the claim, which I don't believe there are. No religion I'm aware of says you can't address someone by the pronouns for their preferred gender identity. Can you really just say "religion!" and then do whatever you want?
- eesmith 4y ago
  Here is the claim, quoting https://adfmedia.org/press-release/court-consider-whether-ohio-university-violated-professors-first-amendment-rights https://adfmedia.org/press-release/court-consider-whether-oh... (linked to from this article): > Although the philosophy professor offered to use the student’s preferred first or last name, and university officials initially agreed that was an acceptable compromise, officials then changed course and forced Dr. Meriwether either to speak what he believed to be untrue or to remain silent, all contrary to his own Christian convictions and philosophical beliefs. The argument appears to be that Meriwether does not believe the student's preferred pronoun is correct, and using it would therefore be a falsehood which violates his Christian belief.
- drewbug01 4y ago
  > Can you really just say "religion!" and then do whatever you want? Whether or not you can do so really depends on what "religion!" you're actually claiming, and the biases of the people involved in trying your case. What this kind of thing _usually_ signals in the US is "a conservative Christian is discriminating against an LGBT person in some way, and claiming that their first amendment freedom of religion rights are being violated if they aren't allowed to continue discriminating." And basically that succeeds sometimes, because Christianity is the dominant religion in the country; but more so because the vocal part of Christianity that is rabidly anti-LGBT is surprisingly well-funded and surprisingly oft-found in places that matter. In this case, the federal court of appeals.
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