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One of the peculiarities of the situation is that because so many Universities receive federal funding, they wind up being held accountable as if they were some

One of the peculiarities of the situation is that because so many Universities receive federal funding, they wind up being held accountable as if they were some other government institution. I suspect if this had happened at a totally private college taking in no federal money the case would have been decided differently.

VWWHFSfQ 4y ago
I have no idea what the actual numbers are, but I would guess that the number of private colleges _not_ taking federal money in one form or another is microscopic, if any even exist at all. Private institutions get on the hook for this kind of stuff all the time just for taking state/federal assistance for their school lunch program.
- eesmith 4y ago
  > Among the other schools that don’t participate in Title IV financial-aid programs are Grove City College in Pennsylvania; Christendom College in Virginia; Pensacola Christian College in Florida; Patrick Henry College in Virginia; and tiny Wyoming Catholic College and Gutenberg College in Oregon, which have 150 and 22 students, respectively. At least one Orthodox Jewish institution, Yeshiva Toras Chaim Talmudic Seminary of Denver, also opts out of Title IV, -- https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2016/07/the-controversial-reason-some-religious-colleges-forgo-federal-funding/490253/ https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2016/07/the-co...
  - VWWHFSfQ 4y ago
    Thanks for that. So what I'm gathering is that they do exist, but the number is absolutely tiny.
    - eesmith 4y ago
      Yup.
joshcryer 4y ago
This is a public university in a town of 20k, which is 70% Republican, whose main employers are a local hospital, a prison, a railroad, a lumberyard, and this school. This guy wins this case 99% of the time which is why they settled. And it's all because the school just wanted him to be respectful to a student.
- version_five 4y ago
  No, they wanted him to call the student something he disagreed with. He offered to call them by name and not refer to their sex as I understood it. They wanted him to explicitly participate in the "pronouns" thing, which he disagreed with. There can and should be a difference between being respectful and going along with someone else's "game" even if that's important to them. It's more like asking him to make a positive religious statement, imo, when the respectful thing could just be to say everyone is entitled to their own beliefs.
  - joshcryer 4y ago
    Yeah, but you can see how this would upset a student, in a philosophy class, being taught the Socratic method, with a professor who prefers to refer to their students by Mr. And Ms. as a "formal manner of addressing students helps them view the academic enterprise as a serious, weighty endeavor." ... except for that trans person who I will refer to by their last name only.

VWWHFSfQ 4y ago

I have no idea what the actual numbers are, but I would guess that the number of private colleges _not_ taking federal money in one form or another is microscopic, if any even exist at all. Private institutions get on the hook for this kind of stuff all the time just for taking state/federal assistance for their school lunch program.

eesmith 4y ago
> Among the other schools that don’t participate in Title IV financial-aid programs are Grove City College in Pennsylvania; Christendom College in Virginia; Pensacola Christian College in Florida; Patrick Henry College in Virginia; and tiny Wyoming Catholic College and Gutenberg College in Oregon, which have 150 and 22 students, respectively. At least one Orthodox Jewish institution, Yeshiva Toras Chaim Talmudic Seminary of Denver, also opts out of Title IV, -- https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2016/07/the-controversial-reason-some-religious-colleges-forgo-federal-funding/490253/ https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2016/07/the-co...
- VWWHFSfQ 4y ago
  Thanks for that. So what I'm gathering is that they do exist, but the number is absolutely tiny.
  - eesmith 4y ago
    Yup.

joshcryer 4y ago

This is a public university in a town of 20k, which is 70% Republican, whose main employers are a local hospital, a prison, a railroad, a lumberyard, and this school. This guy wins this case 99% of the time which is why they settled. And it's all because the school just wanted him to be respectful to a student.

version_five 4y ago
No, they wanted him to call the student something he disagreed with. He offered to call them by name and not refer to their sex as I understood it. They wanted him to explicitly participate in the "pronouns" thing, which he disagreed with. There can and should be a difference between being respectful and going along with someone else's "game" even if that's important to them. It's more like asking him to make a positive religious statement, imo, when the respectful thing could just be to say everyone is entitled to their own beliefs.
- joshcryer 4y ago
  Yeah, but you can see how this would upset a student, in a philosophy class, being taught the Socratic method, with a professor who prefers to refer to their students by Mr. And Ms. as a "formal manner of addressing students helps them view the academic enterprise as a serious, weighty endeavor." ... except for that trans person who I will refer to by their last name only.