> The lack of understanding around this in some of the comments is really eye opening to me. I had my own physical bullying experiences in school, fortunately

> The lack of understanding around this in some of the comments is really eye opening to me. I had my own physical bullying experiences in school, fortunately nothing constant. There was no way to get any help either (or maybe my uneducated and inexperienced kid brain just did not know any better), so I know the feeling of helplessness at least. But you mention PTSD, which is really really severe. As I said, are we talking about some extreme cases here? How frequent are those? The points made was as I see it for much less severe than "PTSD stage" things. When you get to PTSD it's criminal level and I don't think that this is what those people you claim have "lack of understanding" assumed was what we were talking about. I certainly didn't, and I still don't. I think extreme cases are something else.