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its 100% intentional on the administrations part. this is their 'creative' way of trying to not meet their campaign promise. highly annoying.

by jatone 4y ago

MCllorf 4y ago
He still has time to do loan forgiveness "helicopter money" style. But even if all we got was an expansion of targeted relief programs I think it totally counts as fulfilling his talking point. The issue with student debt is that for some people there's no way out, but generally speaking college-educated people are more well-off and forgiving all debt would be a regressive stimulus that targets the wealthier side of the population. Targeted relief is a great way around that.
- jatone 4y ago
  this isn't targetted relief. this is shit that was already suppose to be done. also regressive stimulus are not even a thing. maybe you're thinking of regressive taxes? which still wouldn't be right.
  - gruez 4y ago
    >also regressive stimulus are not even a thing. maybe you're thinking of regressive taxes? Regressive taxes favor the rich over the poor. By "regressive stimulus" I'm presuming he's talking about stimulus that favors the rich (eg. well off layers/doctors with high student loan debt but high earning potential) over people with modest student loans but low earning potential.
    - jatone 4y ago
      which still isn't correct. it doesn't hurt the poor that the upper middle class will also receive this benefit. regressive taxes do. in fact this policy still helps the lower income class because many of them will also benefit from it and far more than the upper middle class. this means testing bullshit has got to stop.
    - MCllorf 4y ago
      Yes, that's exactly what I'm talking about. It's amazing how easy communication is when your words aren't interpreted in the most obtuse and uncharitable way by extreme progressives
      - jatone 4y ago
        words have meaning; using them correctly in context matters. the fact of the matter is the term you used has nothing to do with stimulus'. you were attempting to imply that forgiveness somehow harms the lower classes when it categorically doesnt. the only person being 'uncharitable' here is you; attempting to label someone calling out your BS position as 'extreme' and then attempting to categorically label an entire political spectrum with the same brush.
LimaBearz 4y ago
No. The previous guy installed people in the DOE that made it virtually impossible to forgive the loans even after they jumped through all the hoops to qualify under the law. All Biden's administration is doing here is ungumming people who were eligible years ago. This is cleanup from the prior administration
- jatone 4y ago
  I'm aware. and but these things are being trotted out by people as 'look hes (biden) done so much!!' when in reality: hes done jack shit except what already is suppose to happen! I promise you biden's PR group is the force behind these articles.
  - 7speter 4y ago
    As demonstrated by the last admin it doesnt have to happen so feel free to complain about the current President doing “jack shit” until the last guy wins the next election… Sometimes keeping promises are important.
    - mardifoufs 4y ago
      Have fun blaming the "last guy" for almost everything, that sure worked out so far for the "current guy's" approval rating and will definitely not help the last guy win if he was to try again. This is even more ridiculous than even the "thanks Obama" reflexive blaming conservatives had. I don't think you realize how self defeating and ineffective it is to find every tiny reason to deflect blame from "your team". Saying that "actually.... Biden couldn't do it because of some officials in the DoE and totally couldn't have known that this was possible when he made the promise, oops!" is such a cop out. It's obvious that the Biden team knew exactly how the DoE worked, and if x or y promise is feasible or not.
    - jatone 4y ago
      I'm perfectly capable of complaining about both. biden hasn't done jack shit beyond not being a raging asshole. working american's are still getting shit on; american's are still being disenfranchised of their votes. and none of his action are helping the very real situation of income inequality. and I'm still waiting for him to actually deliver on campaign promises.

its 100% intentional on the administrations part. this is their 'creative' way of trying to not meet their campaign promise. highly annoying.

by jatone 4y ago

its 100% intentional on the administrations part. this is their 'creative' way of trying to not meet their campaign promise. highly annoying.

MCllorf 4y ago

He still has time to do loan forgiveness "helicopter money" style. But even if all we got was an expansion of targeted relief programs I think it totally counts as fulfilling his talking point. The issue with student debt is that for some people there's no way out, but generally speaking college-educated people are more well-off and forgiving all debt would be a regressive stimulus that targets the wealthier side of the population. Targeted relief is a great way around that.

jatone 4y ago
this isn't targetted relief. this is shit that was already suppose to be done. also regressive stimulus are not even a thing. maybe you're thinking of regressive taxes? which still wouldn't be right.
- gruez 4y ago
  >also regressive stimulus are not even a thing. maybe you're thinking of regressive taxes? Regressive taxes favor the rich over the poor. By "regressive stimulus" I'm presuming he's talking about stimulus that favors the rich (eg. well off layers/doctors with high student loan debt but high earning potential) over people with modest student loans but low earning potential.
  - jatone 4y ago
    which still isn't correct. it doesn't hurt the poor that the upper middle class will also receive this benefit. regressive taxes do. in fact this policy still helps the lower income class because many of them will also benefit from it and far more than the upper middle class. this means testing bullshit has got to stop.
  - MCllorf 4y ago
    Yes, that's exactly what I'm talking about. It's amazing how easy communication is when your words aren't interpreted in the most obtuse and uncharitable way by extreme progressives
    - jatone 4y ago
      words have meaning; using them correctly in context matters. the fact of the matter is the term you used has nothing to do with stimulus'. you were attempting to imply that forgiveness somehow harms the lower classes when it categorically doesnt. the only person being 'uncharitable' here is you; attempting to label someone calling out your BS position as 'extreme' and then attempting to categorically label an entire political spectrum with the same brush.

LimaBearz 4y ago

No. The previous guy installed people in the DOE that made it virtually impossible to forgive the loans even after they jumped through all the hoops to qualify under the law. All Biden's administration is doing here is ungumming people who were eligible years ago. This is cleanup from the prior administration

jatone 4y ago
I'm aware. and but these things are being trotted out by people as 'look hes (biden) done so much!!' when in reality: hes done jack shit except what already is suppose to happen! I promise you biden's PR group is the force behind these articles.
- 7speter 4y ago
  As demonstrated by the last admin it doesnt have to happen so feel free to complain about the current President doing “jack shit” until the last guy wins the next election… Sometimes keeping promises are important.
  - mardifoufs 4y ago
    Have fun blaming the "last guy" for almost everything, that sure worked out so far for the "current guy's" approval rating and will definitely not help the last guy win if he was to try again. This is even more ridiculous than even the "thanks Obama" reflexive blaming conservatives had. I don't think you realize how self defeating and ineffective it is to find every tiny reason to deflect blame from "your team". Saying that "actually.... Biden couldn't do it because of some officials in the DoE and totally couldn't have known that this was possible when he made the promise, oops!" is such a cop out. It's obvious that the Biden team knew exactly how the DoE worked, and if x or y promise is feasible or not.
  - jatone 4y ago
    I'm perfectly capable of complaining about both. biden hasn't done jack shit beyond not being a raging asshole. working american's are still getting shit on; american's are still being disenfranchised of their votes. and none of his action are helping the very real situation of income inequality. and I'm still waiting for him to actually deliver on campaign promises.