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The way you present the problem is inaccurate to me. It's not "I can't have it so nobody can" or "I couldn't have it back then, so nobody should have it now.".

by dudul 5y ago

The way you present the problem is inaccurate to me. It's not "I can't have it so nobody can" or "I couldn't have it back then, so nobody should have it now.". It is: "At the time, these were the rules, I ran the numbers, was responsible and ended up limiting my opportunities. Others, who were not responsible, now not only have more opportunities thanks to their degree but will also end up not paying for it". I'm sorry, but to me it feels extremely unfair that people who frivolously took loans will now end up being ahead of people who - at the same time - decided to be more financially responsible. You can't retroactively change the rules and expect people to take it quietly. The problem is made even worse because in the case of student loans, there is nothing to repossess. This has nothing to do with changing the rules now.

omegaworks 5y ago
So you would rather your children continue to suffer the burden of a system that forces people into limited opportunities simply because you had to? So much for making the world a better place. The course that you took in life failed to teach you a fundamental truth about how a society grows.
- dudul 5y ago
  Once again this is not the issue, either my post was unclear or you didn't read it carefully. I definitely do want the system to be fixed for future generations to not go through this. I do not want past generations to get a free pass. Loan forgiveness does nothing for future generations of students.
  - omegaworks 5y ago
    >Loan forgiveness does nothing for future generations of students. Loan forgiveness unlocks the spending potential of an entire generation. People have been holding off on buying their first home or having their first child because of the burden of their loans. It is literally stymying our future generations.
- newfriend 5y ago
  > forces people into limited opportunities No one was forced to do this. > So much for making the world a better place. The course that you took in life failed to teach you a fundamental truth about how a society grows. Idealism is great for virtue signaling. The reality is that rewarding bad behavior and punishing good behavior does not lead to a healthy society.
  - omegaworks 5y ago
    >The reality is that rewarding bad behavior and punishing good behavior You are confusing a societal failure with a moral one: we have failed as a society by forcing those that pursue higher education to bear the entire cost of that education and we have failed to guarantee a role for those people in our society that pays well enough to pay off an inflated loan for that cost. These are not individual moral failures. Everyone that is not able to pay off their student loans is not a bad person. Student loans are a bad system for educating people. They were introduced when higher education was desegregated and opened to women. When the white men at the reigns of the government no longer saw fit to fund public higher education for people that were not white men.
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by dudul 5y ago

omegaworks 5y ago

So you would rather your children continue to suffer the burden of a system that forces people into limited opportunities simply because you had to? So much for making the world a better place. The course that you took in life failed to teach you a fundamental truth about how a society grows.

dudul 5y ago
Once again this is not the issue, either my post was unclear or you didn't read it carefully. I definitely do want the system to be fixed for future generations to not go through this. I do not want past generations to get a free pass. Loan forgiveness does nothing for future generations of students.
- omegaworks 5y ago
  >Loan forgiveness does nothing for future generations of students. Loan forgiveness unlocks the spending potential of an entire generation. People have been holding off on buying their first home or having their first child because of the burden of their loans. It is literally stymying our future generations.
newfriend 5y ago
> forces people into limited opportunities No one was forced to do this. > So much for making the world a better place. The course that you took in life failed to teach you a fundamental truth about how a society grows. Idealism is great for virtue signaling. The reality is that rewarding bad behavior and punishing good behavior does not lead to a healthy society.
- omegaworks 5y ago
  >The reality is that rewarding bad behavior and punishing good behavior You are confusing a societal failure with a moral one: we have failed as a society by forcing those that pursue higher education to bear the entire cost of that education and we have failed to guarantee a role for those people in our society that pays well enough to pay off an inflated loan for that cost. These are not individual moral failures. Everyone that is not able to pay off their student loans is not a bad person. Student loans are a bad system for educating people. They were introduced when higher education was desegregated and opened to women. When the white men at the reigns of the government no longer saw fit to fund public higher education for people that were not white men.
- 31098347 5y ago
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