> what is the resistance to a welfare state? I don't believe it's sustainable. I don't believe it's sustainable here, and I don't believe it's sustainable the

> what is the resistance to a welfare state? I don't believe it's sustainable. I don't believe it's sustainable here, and I don't believe it's sustainable there either (in fact, as far as I can tell, we've starting to see the cracks in the European welfare state for a while now). We have some welfare state-like programs here - social security, for example, is supposed to provide guaranteed retirement income to the elderly. Both of my grandfathers lived on it for decades before they passed. My father collects it now, but it's not enough to survive, even at his meager standard of living, so he works as a security guard at 72 (and yes, I've offered to let him come live with me but he's too proud to accept). I don't believe that there will be anything left over when I try to collect it in 20 years. If it was actually free, there wouldn't be any reason to be upset, but my social security payments are far higher than what I contribute to my actual 401(k) retirement plan that I do expect to be able to live off of when I'm ready to retire. The welfare state takes everything and eventually provides nothing.