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Are you implying that these children are getting hepatitis because there weren’t enough measures taken to prevent/control COVID?

giraffe_lady 5y ago
yes.
- deleted 5y ago
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toomuchtodo 5y ago
https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4470 https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4470 (Long covid: Damage to multiple organs presents in young, low risk patients)
- mcphage 5y ago
  Is there an indication that these kids got COVID?
  - toomuchtodo 5y ago
    > Participants were eligible if they tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 by random polymerase chain reaction swab (n=62), a positive antibody test (n=63), or had typical symptoms and were determined to have covid-19 by two independent clinicians (n=73). > The prevalence of pre-existing conditions was low (obesity: 20%, hypertension: 6%, diabetes: 2%, heart disease: 4%), and less than a fifth (18%) of individuals had been hospitalised with covid-19.
  - tremon 5y ago
    from the ECDC update posted by tpm in various locations: 5/10 tested positive for covid-19, 5/11 tested positive for adenovirus. None tested positive for viral hepatitis. Laboratory investigations of the cases excluded viral hepatitis types A, B, C, D and E in all cases. Of the 13 cases reported by Scotland for which detailed information is available regarding testing, three tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 infection, five tested negative and two were documented to have had an infection in the three months before presentation. Eleven of these 13 cases had results for adenovirus testing and five tested positive.
    - mcphage 5y ago
      Thank you :-)
  - formerkrogemp 5y ago
    I'd imagine most of the population has gotten at this point.
    - mcphage 5y ago
      I mean, I don't think I have—but I still wear a mask when I'm out and about, and... yeah, I have a desk job.
      - formerkrogemp 5y ago
        I wear a mask when I'm out and about as well, but where I'm at only a minority are still wearing masks. With vaccination rates in the US so low and funding ending for shots and antiviral treatments, I do wonder and worry what the future holds. Stay safe.
  - ekianjo 5y ago
    You havent heard of Omicron?
mherdeg 5y ago
Yes that's how I read the parent post's comment -- arguing with sarcasm that we should take additional interventions to limit SARS-CoV-2 spread due to the unknown future risks of surviving infection. Measures could for example include vaccine mandates (to the extent that they limits spread?) or nonpharmaceutical interventions such as mandatory ventilation upgrades to 4-6 ACH of MERV13+ filtered air in spaces where people congregate. Tough to do the calculus on unknown risks vs. the cost of mitigation, but personally I'm pretty mad that during the ONE time we stopped ignoring the healthy building people, they didn't muster the political capital to create better ventilation in quasi-public spaces. I'm also a little disappointed that our celebration of each milestone in returning to normal has not included a somber recognition that society was taking extraordinary steps to protect people who are at risk and that because we can no longer afford to take those steps, some of those people will die. I think it's an acceptable trade-off -- we didn't protect everyone before the pandemic and we won't do it afterwards -- but I don't think it's something to be happy about.
- martinald 5y ago
  But the cost of improving ventilation is absolutely enormous, especially in the UK /Europe where many public buildings do not have central AC and ducting to move the air around. I imagine it would be cheaper to knock down at least some of the buildings and rebuild rather than try and add such high quality ventilation to these buildings. Even if it was possible there is no way supply chains would cope with literally millions of buildings being retrofit worldwide all at once.

giraffe_lady 5y ago

yes.

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toomuchtodo 5y ago

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4470 https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4470 (Long covid: Damage to multiple organs presents in young, low risk patients)

mcphage 5y ago
Is there an indication that these kids got COVID?
- toomuchtodo 5y ago
  > Participants were eligible if they tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 by random polymerase chain reaction swab (n=62), a positive antibody test (n=63), or had typical symptoms and were determined to have covid-19 by two independent clinicians (n=73). > The prevalence of pre-existing conditions was low (obesity: 20%, hypertension: 6%, diabetes: 2%, heart disease: 4%), and less than a fifth (18%) of individuals had been hospitalised with covid-19.
- tremon 5y ago
  from the ECDC update posted by tpm in various locations: 5/10 tested positive for covid-19, 5/11 tested positive for adenovirus. None tested positive for viral hepatitis. Laboratory investigations of the cases excluded viral hepatitis types A, B, C, D and E in all cases. Of the 13 cases reported by Scotland for which detailed information is available regarding testing, three tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 infection, five tested negative and two were documented to have had an infection in the three months before presentation. Eleven of these 13 cases had results for adenovirus testing and five tested positive.
  - mcphage 5y ago
    Thank you :-)
- formerkrogemp 5y ago
  I'd imagine most of the population has gotten at this point.
  - mcphage 5y ago
    I mean, I don't think I have—but I still wear a mask when I'm out and about, and... yeah, I have a desk job.
    - formerkrogemp 5y ago
      I wear a mask when I'm out and about as well, but where I'm at only a minority are still wearing masks. With vaccination rates in the US so low and funding ending for shots and antiviral treatments, I do wonder and worry what the future holds. Stay safe.
- ekianjo 5y ago
  You havent heard of Omicron?

mherdeg 5y ago

Yes that's how I read the parent post's comment -- arguing with sarcasm that we should take additional interventions to limit SARS-CoV-2 spread due to the unknown future risks of surviving infection. Measures could for example include vaccine mandates (to the extent that they limits spread?) or nonpharmaceutical interventions such as mandatory ventilation upgrades to 4-6 ACH of MERV13+ filtered air in spaces where people congregate. Tough to do the calculus on unknown risks vs. the cost of mitigation, but personally I'm pretty mad that during the ONE time we stopped ignoring the healthy building people, they didn't muster the political capital to create better ventilation in quasi-public spaces. I'm also a little disappointed that our celebration of each milestone in returning to normal has not included a somber recognition that society was taking extraordinary steps to protect people who are at risk and that because we can no longer afford to take those steps, some of those people will die. I think it's an acceptable trade-off -- we didn't protect everyone before the pandemic and we won't do it afterwards -- but I don't think it's something to be happy about.

martinald 5y ago
But the cost of improving ventilation is absolutely enormous, especially in the UK /Europe where many public buildings do not have central AC and ducting to move the air around. I imagine it would be cheaper to knock down at least some of the buildings and rebuild rather than try and add such high quality ventilation to these buildings. Even if it was possible there is no way supply chains would cope with literally millions of buildings being retrofit worldwide all at once.