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Is it possible that the mrna vaccines are impacting the liver in some way?

by okthisisasign 4y ago

zinekeller 4y ago
It seems most of them are not vaccinated at all, so that's probably not a factor.
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SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
Ajoo posted this in another part of the thread, but in the UK none of the children with this have been vaccinated so no, it is not possible. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/increase-in-hepatitis-liver-inflammation-cases-in-children-under-investigation https://www.gov.uk/government/news/increase-in-hepatitis-liv...
tpm 4y ago
If they were vaccinated, it would be possible, but they are not. According to ECDC, "with most of these cases aged between 2 and 5 years" - children under 5 are not vaccinated. https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/news-events/update-hepatitis-unknown-origin-children https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/news-events/update-hepatitis-u...
- thematrixturtle 4y ago
  Must be because of the all the shedding from the vaccine carriers then! /s, I'd like to think, but I have no doubt the tinfoil hat brigade will link this to vaccines somehow.
  - tzs 4y ago
    For those who don't know what he's talking about, one of the things that did show up fairly often in the more conspiracy minded anti-vaccination circles was that vaccinated people shed mRNA into the surrounding environment, often accompanied by a claim that this mRNA makes surrounding unvaccinated people sick and this is really why unvaccinated people were so massively more likely to get seriously ill or die during the delta and omicron waves. I haven't seen that lately though. I think much of that crowd has moved on to other theories, like that COVID isn't even caused by a virus. For instance one I've seen a few times recently is that it is caused by the government (or the elites or the Jews or the Democrats) putting snake venom in the water supply. Such claims are often accompanied by an offer to sell some form of protection against that snake venom, usually consisting of buying the offerer's particular supplements. If you want to see a good sampling of these kinds of things, head over to /r/HermanCainAward and browse the "awarded" and "nominated" posts. Don't read the comments there because they are often quite mean, but just reading the submission itself is quite enlightening.
    - formerkrogemp 4y ago
      Thank you for the explanation.
    - pvaldes 4y ago
      Yes, but the fact that some bunch of idiots think that vaccines can make you grow a third head is not a proof that vaccines can't do any harm. That would be a logical fallacy. Many good treatments are known still to be harmful for a small number of people with rare genetic combinations. The concept of reasonable risk is accepted in medicine. So It must be checked still (removing this people from the equation and focusing in the know verified facts, instead to dismiss it by ad-hominem).
    - acidoverride 4y ago
      > Vaccinated people shed mRNA into the surrounding environment. They do. But in tiny enough amounts not to make people sick. Vaccinated people do shed virus enough to make surrounding people sick, with unvaccinated people at greater risk, especially when these vaccinated do not mask, or do not get sick enough to isolate. This topic and any discussion around it was carefully demonized, making it so even people like Luigi Warren could not get the information out that mRNA can be shed by the vaccinated. The fervent anti-vaccination activists only got more fuel for their fires, with officials downplaying any talk of shedding or ADE. And then they blamed their rhetoric on the vaccine hesitant. > COVID isn't even caused by a virus. It took a lot of decades for scientists to come to the same conclusion about the Spanish "flu" pandemic. The snake venom thing is of course an extreme outlier. If that is what you think you are "up against" with the anti-vaxxers and vaccination hesitant, you can not understand the merits of the other camp's views. The very fact check for the snake venom thing has this to say: > But, as we’ve explained before, scientists in China first isolated the virus that causes COVID-19 on Jan. 7, 2020. Scientists at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in the U.S. then isolated the virus later that month, from a patient who was diagnosed with the disease in Washington state. And scientists in other countries have also isolated the virus. The World Health Organization announced the official name of the virus — SARS-CoV-2 — on Feb. 11, 2020. Do you really think scientists in China first isolated the virus in 2020? It seems a rather definitive and factual claim, certainly welcomed by the Chinese regime and the narrative they want to support. Head over to the 4chan archive to see multiple posts discussing isolating a novel coronavirus with weird characteristics in the late months of 2019. It is there, and harder to argue against, and quite enlightening to say the least.
  - formerkrogemp 4y ago
    I'd imagine sarcasm isn't taken well here.

Is it possible that the mrna vaccines are impacting the liver in some way?

zinekeller 4y ago

It seems most of them are not vaccinated at all, so that's probably not a factor.

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SketchySeaBeast 4y ago

Ajoo posted this in another part of the thread, but in the UK none of the children with this have been vaccinated so no, it is not possible. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/increase-in-hepatitis-liver-inflammation-cases-in-children-under-investigation https://www.gov.uk/government/news/increase-in-hepatitis-liv...

tpm 4y ago

If they were vaccinated, it would be possible, but they are not. According to ECDC, "with most of these cases aged between 2 and 5 years" - children under 5 are not vaccinated. https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/news-events/update-hepatitis-unknown-origin-children https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/news-events/update-hepatitis-u...

thematrixturtle 4y ago
Must be because of the all the shedding from the vaccine carriers then! /s, I'd like to think, but I have no doubt the tinfoil hat brigade will link this to vaccines somehow.
- tzs 4y ago
  For those who don't know what he's talking about, one of the things that did show up fairly often in the more conspiracy minded anti-vaccination circles was that vaccinated people shed mRNA into the surrounding environment, often accompanied by a claim that this mRNA makes surrounding unvaccinated people sick and this is really why unvaccinated people were so massively more likely to get seriously ill or die during the delta and omicron waves. I haven't seen that lately though. I think much of that crowd has moved on to other theories, like that COVID isn't even caused by a virus. For instance one I've seen a few times recently is that it is caused by the government (or the elites or the Jews or the Democrats) putting snake venom in the water supply. Such claims are often accompanied by an offer to sell some form of protection against that snake venom, usually consisting of buying the offerer's particular supplements. If you want to see a good sampling of these kinds of things, head over to /r/HermanCainAward and browse the "awarded" and "nominated" posts. Don't read the comments there because they are often quite mean, but just reading the submission itself is quite enlightening.
  - formerkrogemp 4y ago
    Thank you for the explanation.
  - pvaldes 4y ago
    Yes, but the fact that some bunch of idiots think that vaccines can make you grow a third head is not a proof that vaccines can't do any harm. That would be a logical fallacy. Many good treatments are known still to be harmful for a small number of people with rare genetic combinations. The concept of reasonable risk is accepted in medicine. So It must be checked still (removing this people from the equation and focusing in the know verified facts, instead to dismiss it by ad-hominem).
  - acidoverride 4y ago
    > Vaccinated people shed mRNA into the surrounding environment. They do. But in tiny enough amounts not to make people sick. Vaccinated people do shed virus enough to make surrounding people sick, with unvaccinated people at greater risk, especially when these vaccinated do not mask, or do not get sick enough to isolate. This topic and any discussion around it was carefully demonized, making it so even people like Luigi Warren could not get the information out that mRNA can be shed by the vaccinated. The fervent anti-vaccination activists only got more fuel for their fires, with officials downplaying any talk of shedding or ADE. And then they blamed their rhetoric on the vaccine hesitant. > COVID isn't even caused by a virus. It took a lot of decades for scientists to come to the same conclusion about the Spanish "flu" pandemic. The snake venom thing is of course an extreme outlier. If that is what you think you are "up against" with the anti-vaxxers and vaccination hesitant, you can not understand the merits of the other camp's views. The very fact check for the snake venom thing has this to say: > But, as we’ve explained before, scientists in China first isolated the virus that causes COVID-19 on Jan. 7, 2020. Scientists at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in the U.S. then isolated the virus later that month, from a patient who was diagnosed with the disease in Washington state. And scientists in other countries have also isolated the virus. The World Health Organization announced the official name of the virus — SARS-CoV-2 — on Feb. 11, 2020. Do you really think scientists in China first isolated the virus in 2020? It seems a rather definitive and factual claim, certainly welcomed by the Chinese regime and the narrative they want to support. Head over to the 4chan archive to see multiple posts discussing isolating a novel coronavirus with weird characteristics in the late months of 2019. It is there, and harder to argue against, and quite enlightening to say the least.
- formerkrogemp 4y ago
  I'd imagine sarcasm isn't taken well here.