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Speaking as an American iMessage user, it is very pervasive. I know a lot of people that cringe when one non-iPhone user is added to a group chat and it turns

by 300bps 4y ago

Speaking as an American iMessage user, it is very pervasive. I know a lot of people that cringe when one non-iPhone user is added to a group chat and it turns everything you send green instead of blue.

sneak 4y ago
It also sends it all basically unencrypted at that point, too. (Not that iMessage is much better, as its end-to-end crypto has been backdoored by Apple and kept insecure so that the US feds can read it.)
- Spooky23 4y ago
  If you think that any of the consumer services are “secure” from the Feds, I got a bridge with great views of Brooklyn for sale.
  - zht 4y ago
    love the nihilism
  - sneak 4y ago
    https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/whatsapp-imessage-facebook-apple-fbi-privacy-1261816/ https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/what... Signal doesn't keep logs, and is end-to-end encrypted without a key escrow or plaintext escrow backdoor for the transiting middle service. You can review their actual response documents to law enforcement.
  - r00fus 4y ago
    I care less about the "Feds" than Comcast, my mobile provider, or literally any other actor on the SMS chain. Not to mention potentially corrupt local law enforcement or litigious former-friends. Encryption, like deadbolts, helps society function.
giarc 4y ago
I don't think you can even do iMessage groups with non-iOS users. Does it not send the message directly to that single person and their reply goes directly to the sender (not to the group)?
- withinboredom 4y ago
  You can. It’s annoying af when people start liking photos or videos. Also annoying if you’re paying for international texts.
- 300bps 4y ago
  It converts the entire group to SMS when you have a single non-iOS user.
cupofpython 4y ago
if Apple allowed an iMessage compatible app to be developed on android, r even sold it themselves, I would buy it for this reason. I hate thinking negatively of my friends for buying into this type of attitude instead of getting a 3rd party app that provides the same experience for everyone - but it just didnt happen so now i have to drop $700 on an iphone for a text messaging app. fucking ridiculous, but i want better communication with my friends without telling them what to do

by 300bps 4y ago

sneak 4y ago

It also sends it all basically unencrypted at that point, too. (Not that iMessage is much better, as its end-to-end crypto has been backdoored by Apple and kept insecure so that the US feds can read it.)

Spooky23 4y ago
If you think that any of the consumer services are “secure” from the Feds, I got a bridge with great views of Brooklyn for sale.
- zht 4y ago
  love the nihilism
- sneak 4y ago
  https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/whatsapp-imessage-facebook-apple-fbi-privacy-1261816/ https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/what... Signal doesn't keep logs, and is end-to-end encrypted without a key escrow or plaintext escrow backdoor for the transiting middle service. You can review their actual response documents to law enforcement.
- r00fus 4y ago
  I care less about the "Feds" than Comcast, my mobile provider, or literally any other actor on the SMS chain. Not to mention potentially corrupt local law enforcement or litigious former-friends. Encryption, like deadbolts, helps society function.

giarc 4y ago

I don't think you can even do iMessage groups with non-iOS users. Does it not send the message directly to that single person and their reply goes directly to the sender (not to the group)?

withinboredom 4y ago
You can. It’s annoying af when people start liking photos or videos. Also annoying if you’re paying for international texts.
300bps 4y ago
It converts the entire group to SMS when you have a single non-iOS user.

cupofpython 4y ago

if Apple allowed an iMessage compatible app to be developed on android, r even sold it themselves, I would buy it for this reason. I hate thinking negatively of my friends for buying into this type of attitude instead of getting a 3rd party app that provides the same experience for everyone - but it just didnt happen so now i have to drop $700 on an iphone for a text messaging app. fucking ridiculous, but i want better communication with my friends without telling them what to do