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IME most consumer laptops (that aren't Chrome books which have definitely taken over) at best have virtualization turned off (so you can turn it on, potentially

by usrn 5y ago

IME most consumer laptops (that aren't Chrome books which have definitely taken over) at best have virtualization turned off (so you can turn it on, potentially breaking some Windows thing.) I've given up on any kind of pre-built piece of consumer electronics more complex than a microwave and newer than the original iPhone at this point. Something happened and it's impossible to get anything that doesn't actively fight you.

vaylian 5y ago
> at best have virtualization turned off (so you can turn it on, potentially breaking some Windows thing.) Yes, but there was no way to turn it on (as the linked article explains)
erwincoumans 5y ago
Doesn't Apple M1 support hardware virtualization? Ubuntu arm64 seems to run at full speed under the hypervisor (Parallels etc), no software emulation.
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- mobilio 5y ago
  They even have framework in OS for that: https://developer.apple.com/documentation/virtualization https://developer.apple.com/documentation/virtualization
Tijdreiziger 5y ago
> (so you can turn it on, potentially breaking some Windows thing.) Actually, you must turn it on if you want to use Hyper-V and/or WSL2.
- joenathanone 5y ago
  Windows 11 licensing requires oems to sell machines with it turned on. MS uses it for a security feature called core isolation.
Workaccount2 5y ago
I think the issue from an OEM perspective is that if their product isn't fighting the consumer, the consumer will use the product to fight them. Which isn't totally unfounded. Apple doesn't want to spend the man hours (or charge the cost) of unfucking iphones that regular consumers fucked with all the freedom they have. Don't mistake this post as a defence of Apple or the like. It's merely a recognition of the issue from their side.
- ineedasername 5y ago
  There's an easy solution for this: Make it clear in settings what the risks are if you screw up your device, and also what the repair cost will be. And then charge enough to cover the cost of training new technicians and their salaries.
- officeplant 5y ago
  Apple lets people fuck their devices regularly with their app choices. The appstore doesn't protect anyone against malicious apps that pass validation. I don't see how its any worse than letting us sideload after tapping through a scary warning.

by usrn 5y ago

vaylian 5y ago

> at best have virtualization turned off (so you can turn it on, potentially breaking some Windows thing.) Yes, but there was no way to turn it on (as the linked article explains)

erwincoumans 5y ago

Doesn't Apple M1 support hardware virtualization? Ubuntu arm64 seems to run at full speed under the hypervisor (Parallels etc), no software emulation.

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mobilio 5y ago
They even have framework in OS for that: https://developer.apple.com/documentation/virtualization https://developer.apple.com/documentation/virtualization

Tijdreiziger 5y ago

> (so you can turn it on, potentially breaking some Windows thing.) Actually, you must turn it on if you want to use Hyper-V and/or WSL2.

joenathanone 5y ago
Windows 11 licensing requires oems to sell machines with it turned on. MS uses it for a security feature called core isolation.

Workaccount2 5y ago

I think the issue from an OEM perspective is that if their product isn't fighting the consumer, the consumer will use the product to fight them. Which isn't totally unfounded. Apple doesn't want to spend the man hours (or charge the cost) of unfucking iphones that regular consumers fucked with all the freedom they have. Don't mistake this post as a defence of Apple or the like. It's merely a recognition of the issue from their side.

ineedasername 5y ago
There's an easy solution for this: Make it clear in settings what the risks are if you screw up your device, and also what the repair cost will be. And then charge enough to cover the cost of training new technicians and their salaries.
officeplant 5y ago
Apple lets people fuck their devices regularly with their app choices. The appstore doesn't protect anyone against malicious apps that pass validation. I don't see how its any worse than letting us sideload after tapping through a scary warning.