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The "good" internet is still there, better than ever. Sure, there is a lot of crap, more than ever, but finding the good stuff in the pile of crap is what sear

by GuB-42 5y ago

The "good" internet is still there, better than ever. Sure, there is a lot of crap, more than ever, but finding the good stuff in the pile of crap is what search engines like Google are for. I don't know why Google search results appear to be worse. Bing (and its many proxies) are not getting better either, so it is probably not only Google's fault. Among the explanation I can think of: - There is a cognitive bias: results are not actually worse - There is an arms race between search engines and people trying to game the results (SEO), and SEO is winning - There is a recent disconnect between what is in best interest for Google (and Microsoft) to show you and what is best for the user. - We are reaching some technical limits. We went from simple indexing, to PageRank, to deep learning, constantly improving, and now we are stagnating. - Google (and Microsoft) is suffering the large company syndrome, which is like SEO form the inside: employees optimize for their paycheck instead of the quality of the end product, and the corporate structure can't make these goals match. What I don't believe: - Google is turning evil: Google is not evil, Google just wants to make money, it has always been the case, and giving out great results made Google a trillion dollar company. AFAIK, Google is not owned by Satan, it has no reason to "turn evil" unless it makes them money, and why it would abandon a "not evil" strategy that worked so well in the past requires some explanation. - There is a simple solution: Google may be a corporate mess, but people there are not completely stupid. If there is a simple solution that fits in a random HN post, they would have done it. As they say, for every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong.

ColinHayhurst 5y ago
We take the view that Google and Bing are becoming answer engines. Answers on the SERPs suppress discovery on, and navigation of the web. A real search engine has organic results that minimise your time on the SERPs, providing a diversity of relevant, useful destinations to click on with enough info (snippets & title) to decide where to explore. You also need an independent index and crawler (spider that follows links). Otherwise you are a proxy service or a correlation to a search engine. Whether you use a real search engine API or scraping or query-click ML model(s) you are not independent and really a search service. We've taken the hard road; our search quality is patchy (now with an index >5 billion), but we are one of few genuine search engines if you think that matters.
PolygonSheep 5y ago
I think Google just simply doesn't need to be good anymore. They really did need to be good when they were a small company with a goofy name in a sea of small companies with goofy names. Now they are not. They don't need to stand out. They don't need to be better. Until they have a serious threat from competition (you'll know this is the case when you hear a lot of non-technical people talking about "Binging" or "Yandexing" something instead of Googling) nothing will change.

by GuB-42 5y ago

ColinHayhurst 5y ago

We take the view that Google and Bing are becoming answer engines. Answers on the SERPs suppress discovery on, and navigation of the web. A real search engine has organic results that minimise your time on the SERPs, providing a diversity of relevant, useful destinations to click on with enough info (snippets & title) to decide where to explore. You also need an independent index and crawler (spider that follows links). Otherwise you are a proxy service or a correlation to a search engine. Whether you use a real search engine API or scraping or query-click ML model(s) you are not independent and really a search service. We've taken the hard road; our search quality is patchy (now with an index >5 billion), but we are one of few genuine search engines if you think that matters.

PolygonSheep 5y ago

I think Google just simply doesn't need to be good anymore. They really did need to be good when they were a small company with a goofy name in a sea of small companies with goofy names. Now they are not. They don't need to stand out. They don't need to be better. Until they have a serious threat from competition (you'll know this is the case when you hear a lot of non-technical people talking about "Binging" or "Yandexing" something instead of Googling) nothing will change.