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Or Russia? Seems the ability to freeze the assets of a tyrannical regime can come in handy from time to time, no?

by rntrg 4y ago

ulzeraj 4y ago
I guess its time for a reality check: Putin oligarchs are still filthy rich, the ruble has come back to pre-war levels while average Russian citizens who have been excluded from the rest of the world. https://developers.slashdot.org/story/22/04/18/016252/is-github-suspending-the-accounts-of-russian-developers-at-sanctioned-companies https://developers.slashdot.org/story/22/04/18/016252/is-git...
- sofixa 4y ago
  The ruble's course doesn't matter because it's close to unusable. The Russian economy is cut off from vital supplies, and will soon have all sorts of shortages of all sorts of high tech/quality things - vehicles, phones, computer parts, sensors for their precious resource extractions. China and India cannot fill all the gaps, there's too many of them. As for the oligarchs, they're still rich, but much less so, and they've lost many precious toys ( yachts, villas, football clubs). Yes, the average Russian citizen is excluded from the rest of the world, and will bear the brunt of the impact. As they should, because they're the ones who mostly sat idly and allowed all of this to happen. I have zero sympathy for the average Russian whose inaction made them unable to purchase a new phone or car. They won't starve to death, and they won't be bombes to pieces, which are the prospects facing Ukrainian citizens suffering from the invasion which brought all of this on.
  - ulzeraj 4y ago
    > Yes, the average Russian citizen is excluded from the rest of the world, and will bear the brunt of the impact. As they should, because they're the ones who mostly sat idly and allowed all of this to happen. Speaking for a point of privilege right here aren't we?
  - OGWhales 4y ago
    > Yes, the average Russian citizen is excluded from the rest of the world, and will bear the brunt of the impact. As they should, because they're the ones who mostly sat idly and allowed all of this to happen. I have zero sympathy for the average Russian whose inaction made them unable to purchase a new phone or car. What do you expect the average Russia to have done exactly? I’m curious what you would have done in their position.
    - sofixa 4y ago
      Not vote for Putin and his party for decades? Go out in the streets when opposition leaders or dissidents were assasinated in broad daylight? Something? Anything? Because of them allowing Putin to get where he is, now innocent Ukrainians are suffering terrible atrocities. I know which population is more guilty and which deserving of compassion.
      - ulzeraj 4y ago
        Something like the Belarusians who went to the streets to protest against a fraudulent election and got violently crushed by their police state? The same "evil complacent" Belarusians that are also being sanctioned now? When was the last time you've left the safety of your home to put your life on risk to protest against your government?
        sofixa 4y ago
        Of course now is too late, the police state is well too developed for such protests to not turn out very bloody. And yes, Belarus and Kazakhstan crushing their protestors is also partly the fault of the complacent apathetic Russians. Without Putin's support both would have probably succeeded. > When was the last time you've left the safety of your home to put your life on risk to protest against your government? Many times. Admittedly the risk of arbitrary incarceration or death has always been low in my case, but it's because the places I've lived in didn't allow things to get as bad as Lukashenko and Putin's regimes are.
        4y ago
whywhywhywhy 4y ago
It also means if your country does become a warzone you can have everything taken from you but still maintain your wealth if you remember 12 words.

Or Russia? Seems the ability to freeze the assets of a tyrannical regime can come in handy from time to time, no?

by rntrg 4y ago

Or Russia? Seems the ability to freeze the assets of a tyrannical regime can come in handy from time to time, no?

I guess its time for a reality check: Putin oligarchs are still filthy rich, the ruble has come back to pre-war levels while average Russian citizens who have been excluded from the rest of the world. https://developers.slashdot.org/story/22/04/18/016252/is-github-suspending-the-accounts-of-russian-developers-at-sanctioned-companies https://developers.slashdot.org/story/22/04/18/016252/is-git...

sofixa 4y ago
The ruble's course doesn't matter because it's close to unusable. The Russian economy is cut off from vital supplies, and will soon have all sorts of shortages of all sorts of high tech/quality things - vehicles, phones, computer parts, sensors for their precious resource extractions. China and India cannot fill all the gaps, there's too many of them. As for the oligarchs, they're still rich, but much less so, and they've lost many precious toys ( yachts, villas, football clubs). Yes, the average Russian citizen is excluded from the rest of the world, and will bear the brunt of the impact. As they should, because they're the ones who mostly sat idly and allowed all of this to happen. I have zero sympathy for the average Russian whose inaction made them unable to purchase a new phone or car. They won't starve to death, and they won't be bombes to pieces, which are the prospects facing Ukrainian citizens suffering from the invasion which brought all of this on.
- ulzeraj 4y ago
  > Yes, the average Russian citizen is excluded from the rest of the world, and will bear the brunt of the impact. As they should, because they're the ones who mostly sat idly and allowed all of this to happen. Speaking for a point of privilege right here aren't we?
- OGWhales 4y ago
  > Yes, the average Russian citizen is excluded from the rest of the world, and will bear the brunt of the impact. As they should, because they're the ones who mostly sat idly and allowed all of this to happen. I have zero sympathy for the average Russian whose inaction made them unable to purchase a new phone or car. What do you expect the average Russia to have done exactly? I’m curious what you would have done in their position.
  - sofixa 4y ago
    Not vote for Putin and his party for decades? Go out in the streets when opposition leaders or dissidents were assasinated in broad daylight? Something? Anything? Because of them allowing Putin to get where he is, now innocent Ukrainians are suffering terrible atrocities. I know which population is more guilty and which deserving of compassion.
    - ulzeraj 4y ago
      Something like the Belarusians who went to the streets to protest against a fraudulent election and got violently crushed by their police state? The same "evil complacent" Belarusians that are also being sanctioned now? When was the last time you've left the safety of your home to put your life on risk to protest against your government?
      - sofixa 4y ago
        Of course now is too late, the police state is well too developed for such protests to not turn out very bloody. And yes, Belarus and Kazakhstan crushing their protestors is also partly the fault of the complacent apathetic Russians. Without Putin's support both would have probably succeeded. > When was the last time you've left the safety of your home to put your life on risk to protest against your government? Many times. Admittedly the risk of arbitrary incarceration or death has always been low in my case, but it's because the places I've lived in didn't allow things to get as bad as Lukashenko and Putin's regimes are.
        4y ago

whywhywhywhy 4y ago

It also means if your country does become a warzone you can have everything taken from you but still maintain your wealth if you remember 12 words.