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Why must we use the loaded term 'toxicity'? It starts your argument with: "Those who disagree with me are poison".

bertil 4y ago
Toxicity is the right term if we stick to its original, biological meaning. Energy generation leads to large toxic outputs. Wasting energy leads to more toxic outputs.
gwd 4y ago
She said "toxic" because she's talking about poison. She basically said: "I myself am anti-crypto. But I don't think that we anti-crypto people should be poisonous in our interaction with pro-crypto people." I'd like to say more, but HN has a clear "Anti-Didn't-RTFA Toxicity" policy.
- tarkin2 4y ago
  Framing conversations and discussions and disagreements as poison is troubling.
  - gwd 4y ago
    You're seriously making stuff up now. There are ways of expressing disagreement which are toxic, and there are ways of expressing disagreement which are not toxic. She has observed is that many anti-crypto people have been expressing their disagreement in toxic ways, and feeling justified in doing so. She is discouraging the first while encouraging the second. If you'd spent any effort trying to understand what she or I were saying, you'd know that. It seems rather that you'd rather fight against imaginary arguments from your own head, which is far more troubling.
jasamer 4y ago
The author does not state that people "disagreeing" with crypto are toxic, just that a subset of anti-crypto people are toxic. (Same applies to some pro-crypto people).
dogleash 4y ago
In my experience, the relative meaning, popularity, and aptness of words like "toxic" are generational and geographic. When I hang out with people 10 years younger than me, "toxic" means things as mild as "buzzkill" or "wet blanket" and "gaslighting" is whenever someone says something you doubt. Those word carried very weighty and serious connotations when they started becoming commonplace vocabulary years and years ago. These days they're meaningless, and we just have to adapt that new reality.

Toxicity is the right term if we stick to its original, biological meaning. Energy generation leads to large toxic outputs. Wasting energy leads to more toxic outputs.

gwd 4y ago

She said "toxic" because she's talking about poison. She basically said: "I myself am anti-crypto. But I don't think that we anti-crypto people should be poisonous in our interaction with pro-crypto people." I'd like to say more, but HN has a clear "Anti-Didn't-RTFA Toxicity" policy.

tarkin2 4y ago
Framing conversations and discussions and disagreements as poison is troubling.
- gwd 4y ago
  You're seriously making stuff up now. There are ways of expressing disagreement which are toxic, and there are ways of expressing disagreement which are not toxic. She has observed is that many anti-crypto people have been expressing their disagreement in toxic ways, and feeling justified in doing so. She is discouraging the first while encouraging the second. If you'd spent any effort trying to understand what she or I were saying, you'd know that. It seems rather that you'd rather fight against imaginary arguments from your own head, which is far more troubling.

jasamer 4y ago

The author does not state that people "disagreeing" with crypto are toxic, just that a subset of anti-crypto people are toxic. (Same applies to some pro-crypto people).

dogleash 4y ago

In my experience, the relative meaning, popularity, and aptness of words like "toxic" are generational and geographic. When I hang out with people 10 years younger than me, "toxic" means things as mild as "buzzkill" or "wet blanket" and "gaslighting" is whenever someone says something you doubt. Those word carried very weighty and serious connotations when they started becoming commonplace vocabulary years and years ago. These days they're meaningless, and we just have to adapt that new reality.