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"Apple and Samsung are engaged in a bruising legal battle that includes more than 20 cases in 10 countries as the two jostle for the top spot in the smartphone

"Apple and Samsung are engaged in a bruising legal battle that includes more than 20 cases in 10 countries as the two jostle for the top spot in the smartphone and tablet markets." Apple isn't "jostling" with anyone in the "tablet market"; they outsell the rest if the industry combined by, what, 20-to-1? 30-to-1?

InclinedPlane 15y ago
"Smartphone and tablet markets" Android outsells iPhone in the smartphone market, apple outsells android in the tablet market. Jostling is a perfectly adequate descriptor for that situation. P.S. It's probably no longer sufficiently accurate to describe the iPad as outselling the rest of the industry combined by 20:1 given what we know about Kindle Fire pre-order figures.
- shaggyfrog 15y ago
  There is no tablet market, only an iPad market. You can't just chain together as many markets as you wish with the word "and" to the smartphone market. Why not say they are also "jostling" in the online services, advertising, flat screen, and whatever else market while you're at it? It's a completely disingenuous statement. P.S. A recent story put iPad at about 97% of tablet browsing share. I can't get to it right now on my iPhone. Preorders are nice but just about any objective measure (including those that include channel stuffing on behalf of the rest of the industry) we've seen so far has shown total iPad dominance of the tablet space.
  - InclinedPlane 15y ago
    Amazon is selling about 50k android tablets a day. That sounds like a market to me.
    - shaggyfrog 15y ago
      It's a start, sure, but it's a looooong way to how many iPads Apple has sold already, which amounted to 9 million last quarter alone.
      - cellis 15y ago
        ...Extrapolating the 50k if true...1.5million/mo * 3 = 4.5million fires/quarter. That's halfway to what Apple is selling and they've just gotten started.
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        serge2k 15y ago
        aren't those US only numbers? What are apples numbers in the US?
    - brisance 15y ago
      Is there a citation for this figure?
jarek 15y ago
A touch under 3 to 1 in the US, by Apple's own figures: http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2011/10/iphone5apple2011liveblogkeynote1225.jpg http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2011/10/iphone... http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/04/apples-lets-talk-iphone-keynote-liveblog/ http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/04/apples-lets-talk-iphone-k... 1:21PM iPad is the "undisputed" #1 tablet in the world. Tim says "everybody and their brother" is trying to compete, but three quarters of all tablets sold are iPads. edit 15 minutes after posting: slow clap to the downvoter

InclinedPlane 15y ago

"Smartphone and tablet markets" Android outsells iPhone in the smartphone market, apple outsells android in the tablet market. Jostling is a perfectly adequate descriptor for that situation. P.S. It's probably no longer sufficiently accurate to describe the iPad as outselling the rest of the industry combined by 20:1 given what we know about Kindle Fire pre-order figures.

shaggyfrog 15y ago
There is no tablet market, only an iPad market. You can't just chain together as many markets as you wish with the word "and" to the smartphone market. Why not say they are also "jostling" in the online services, advertising, flat screen, and whatever else market while you're at it? It's a completely disingenuous statement. P.S. A recent story put iPad at about 97% of tablet browsing share. I can't get to it right now on my iPhone. Preorders are nice but just about any objective measure (including those that include channel stuffing on behalf of the rest of the industry) we've seen so far has shown total iPad dominance of the tablet space.
- InclinedPlane 15y ago
  Amazon is selling about 50k android tablets a day. That sounds like a market to me.
  - shaggyfrog 15y ago
    It's a start, sure, but it's a looooong way to how many iPads Apple has sold already, which amounted to 9 million last quarter alone.
    - cellis 15y ago
      ...Extrapolating the 50k if true...1.5million/mo * 3 = 4.5million fires/quarter. That's halfway to what Apple is selling and they've just gotten started.
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      - serge2k 15y ago
        aren't those US only numbers? What are apples numbers in the US?
  - brisance 15y ago
    Is there a citation for this figure?

jarek 15y ago

A touch under 3 to 1 in the US, by Apple's own figures: http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2011/10/iphone5apple2011liveblogkeynote1225.jpg http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2011/10/iphone... http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/04/apples-lets-talk-iphone-keynote-liveblog/ http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/04/apples-lets-talk-iphone-k... 1:21PM iPad is the "undisputed" #1 tablet in the world. Tim says "everybody and their brother" is trying to compete, but three quarters of all tablets sold are iPads. edit 15 minutes after posting: slow clap to the downvoter