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They stormed the House and Senate chambers while the electoral college vote was taking place, to attempt to stop it and/or destroy the vote records. What about

They stormed the House and Senate chambers while the electoral college vote was taking place, to attempt to stop it and/or destroy the vote records. What about that is not a coup attempt?

quantified 5y ago
This. It’s not some obscure park. It was Congress in session, with the event organized by #45 and team, not we the people.
- ALittleLight 5y ago
  I think it is infinitely more appropriate to protest an election at a political building for a few hours, even if that degenerates into rioting and fighting with police, than it is to occupy city blocks including apartments, restaurants, and small business. Note that the CHAZ protesters fought with police and rioted too. Plus, they actually killed people. The idea that it is okay for rioters to destroy, loot, vandalize in a random residential area, or murder random citizens, but it is beyond the pale for rioters to protest at a political building is exactly inverted.
  - rhinoceraptor 5y ago
    I'm not sure what this what-aboutism has to do with Trump flag waving rioters attempting to stop (and temporarily succeeding in stopping) the election vote count.
    - ALittleLight 5y ago
      It's not "What-aboutism". I'm taking an event where I assume we both agree - in this example CHAZ was not a succession it was a protest that went out of control, and saying that the January 6th event was essentially similar. In both cases you could use hyperbolic language (secession or civil war versus coup or insurrection) but the reality is just not as dramatic. January 6th is much more like a protest turned riot than it is a coup or insurrection.
  - quantified 5y ago
    Who’s saying these CHAZ folks are okay? Not sure what this is about here.
    - ALittleLight 5y ago
      The comment I'm responding to is saying that the CHAZ thing is less severe than the Capitol riots because the latter were at the Capitol. I am saying that the opposite is true.
    - southerntofu 5y ago
      I am. What's wrong with people who want to tear down power structures and live free of oppression? Disclaimer: i was not in CHAZ and am not aware of anything that may have gone wrong along the way.
southerntofu 5y ago
If you've heard testimonies from actual coups, you know nobody is naive enough to think they're going to seize State power from one of the most powerful colonial empires on Earth without tons of weapons. I agree with you there was a conspiracy with some Trump-loving higher-ups in the security establishment paving the way for the protest, but you can never call a few hundred fascists a "coup" unless they all have a gun and are dropping bombs at key sites to destabilize opposition. It's also important to note that these fascist networks have access to considerable amounts of weapons. The fact they were not brought along indicates they were not planning a coup. To be clear, i believe Trump himself was planning a coup, but most fascists attending the demo did not because Trump did not request that aloud.

They stormed the House and Senate chambers while the electoral college vote was taking place, to attempt to stop it and/or destroy the vote records. What about that is not a coup attempt?

quantified 5y ago

This. It’s not some obscure park. It was Congress in session, with the event organized by #45 and team, not we the people.

ALittleLight 5y ago
I think it is infinitely more appropriate to protest an election at a political building for a few hours, even if that degenerates into rioting and fighting with police, than it is to occupy city blocks including apartments, restaurants, and small business. Note that the CHAZ protesters fought with police and rioted too. Plus, they actually killed people. The idea that it is okay for rioters to destroy, loot, vandalize in a random residential area, or murder random citizens, but it is beyond the pale for rioters to protest at a political building is exactly inverted.
- rhinoceraptor 5y ago
  I'm not sure what this what-aboutism has to do with Trump flag waving rioters attempting to stop (and temporarily succeeding in stopping) the election vote count.
  - ALittleLight 5y ago
    It's not "What-aboutism". I'm taking an event where I assume we both agree - in this example CHAZ was not a succession it was a protest that went out of control, and saying that the January 6th event was essentially similar. In both cases you could use hyperbolic language (secession or civil war versus coup or insurrection) but the reality is just not as dramatic. January 6th is much more like a protest turned riot than it is a coup or insurrection.
- quantified 5y ago
  Who’s saying these CHAZ folks are okay? Not sure what this is about here.
  - ALittleLight 5y ago
    The comment I'm responding to is saying that the CHAZ thing is less severe than the Capitol riots because the latter were at the Capitol. I am saying that the opposite is true.
  - southerntofu 5y ago
    I am. What's wrong with people who want to tear down power structures and live free of oppression? Disclaimer: i was not in CHAZ and am not aware of anything that may have gone wrong along the way.

southerntofu 5y ago

If you've heard testimonies from actual coups, you know nobody is naive enough to think they're going to seize State power from one of the most powerful colonial empires on Earth without tons of weapons. I agree with you there was a conspiracy with some Trump-loving higher-ups in the security establishment paving the way for the protest, but you can never call a few hundred fascists a "coup" unless they all have a gun and are dropping bombs at key sites to destabilize opposition. It's also important to note that these fascist networks have access to considerable amounts of weapons. The fact they were not brought along indicates they were not planning a coup. To be clear, i believe Trump himself was planning a coup, but most fascists attending the demo did not because Trump did not request that aloud.