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Isn’t 40% still an overrepresentation? I’m actually with you that ESG hiring isn’t all that useful but you’re acting like 40% isn’t more than healthy domination

Isn’t 40% still an overrepresentation? I’m actually with you that ESG hiring isn’t all that useful but you’re acting like 40% isn’t more than healthy domination of one of the most powerful business sectors in the world.

twofornone 4y ago
Is 40% a problem that needs correcting with overt, forced discrimination? Especially when the actual issue, that of the pipeline, is totally ignored when these hiring policies are dictated by activists and the investor class? And of course no one is complaining about the far greater overrepresentation of Asians. Unless it's politically expedient to claim that they're "white adjacent". There's no justification for any of this. Its pure, petty racism. We have regressed as a society.
decremental 4y ago
100% wouldn't be an overrepresentation if that is the percent that is most qualified for the positions. The NBA isn't diversity hiring for their players. There's an obvious reason for that. The consequences of diversity hiring are going to catch up to us eventually, assuming they haven't already.
- twofornone 4y ago
  >The consequences of diversity hiring are going to catch up to us eventually, assuming they haven't already. Especially when one takes two seconds to actually consider the implications of these policies: if you are going to far as to acknowledge that discrimination is ok because different demographics bring different professional attributes to the table, then you are implicitly acknowledging discrimination is OK because some of these attributes are worth more than others. You can't claim that diversity of skin color == diversity of thought and pretend that the differences are only positive - that's not logically consistent. Race blindness is the optimal solution so long as humans are products of genes and culture. We were on a decent path for a few decades - now all these policies are doing is justifying a resurgence of classical racism; except the racists think they have the moral imperative because they've convinced themselves that all of their ills, past and present, are entirely the fault of evil white men (and women when convenient). This is a disgusting, dangerous game, doubly so when you're not allowed to question it.
- nharada 4y ago
  > There's an obvious reason for that. What's the reason?
  - twofornone 4y ago
    Black people on average are better than basketball. Probably a combination of genes and a culture where they're more likely to practice. You know, the same way that white guys are, on average, more likely to pick up and practice programming out of interest than, say, females of any race.

twofornone 4y ago

Is 40% a problem that needs correcting with overt, forced discrimination? Especially when the actual issue, that of the pipeline, is totally ignored when these hiring policies are dictated by activists and the investor class? And of course no one is complaining about the far greater overrepresentation of Asians. Unless it's politically expedient to claim that they're "white adjacent". There's no justification for any of this. Its pure, petty racism. We have regressed as a society.

decremental 4y ago

100% wouldn't be an overrepresentation if that is the percent that is most qualified for the positions. The NBA isn't diversity hiring for their players. There's an obvious reason for that. The consequences of diversity hiring are going to catch up to us eventually, assuming they haven't already.

twofornone 4y ago
>The consequences of diversity hiring are going to catch up to us eventually, assuming they haven't already. Especially when one takes two seconds to actually consider the implications of these policies: if you are going to far as to acknowledge that discrimination is ok because different demographics bring different professional attributes to the table, then you are implicitly acknowledging discrimination is OK because some of these attributes are worth more than others. You can't claim that diversity of skin color == diversity of thought and pretend that the differences are only positive - that's not logically consistent. Race blindness is the optimal solution so long as humans are products of genes and culture. We were on a decent path for a few decades - now all these policies are doing is justifying a resurgence of classical racism; except the racists think they have the moral imperative because they've convinced themselves that all of their ills, past and present, are entirely the fault of evil white men (and women when convenient). This is a disgusting, dangerous game, doubly so when you're not allowed to question it.
nharada 4y ago
> There's an obvious reason for that. What's the reason?
- twofornone 4y ago
  Black people on average are better than basketball. Probably a combination of genes and a culture where they're more likely to practice. You know, the same way that white guys are, on average, more likely to pick up and practice programming out of interest than, say, females of any race.