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Thanks for showing up here and replying. I can understand the net being cast too wide for a real problem you are trying to solve. It does have real consequence
by travisoliphant 4y ago
Thanks for showing up here and replying. I can understand the net being cast too wide for a real problem you are trying to solve. It does have real consequences for already under-resourced communities, though.
I appreciate the "fix-it-twice" attitude implied by the RCA promise (Root Cause Analysis for those who also had to look it up). Also, consider recognition and restitution for the unnecessary work you created for the NumFOCUS director, a NumFOCUS lawyer, and the SymPy maintainers.
A $25k donation to NumFOCUS would be a good start.
If you are willing to talk about what happened publicly, I'm starting a podcast/video series to discuss business and open-source. This would make an interesting conversation. Perhaps we can turn this into a positive to raise awareness and inspire better behavior in the industry? Ping me.
- haltingproblem 4y ago
- bfz 4y agoTravis is the creator of NumPy.
- haltingproblem 4y agoI know and so what? edit: what triggered me is that he is here promoting his podcast!!??!!? seriously, a little EQ will go a long way.
- travisoliphant 4y agoI'm sorry about triggering you. I can see your point. I did not mean to focus attention away from what happened and how to avoid it. I am sincerely interested in seeing if the HackerRank leadership will reach out and discuss. I was not intending to promote anything I'm doing right now. I suspect they won't but I will talk to them respectfully if they do. Let's promote the SymPy maintainers, though. Let's also promote NumFOCUS, because they do a valuable service to community-driven projects and could help SymPy respond to this sensibly. Let's also promote NumFOCUS because they efficiently and tirelessly work to help the projects they fiscally sponsor (like SymPy) -- providing legal support: https://numfocus.org/ https://numfocus.org/. Perhaps something good can come out of this, still.
- rvivek 4y agoIt is fucking happening.
- bigiain 4y agoNow that you've been called out publicly... What are you doing about all the other bogus DMCA claims you company has sent (itself or via its external contractors)? What are you doing to ensure this never happens again? Why should we believe your answers, and how can we see concrete evidence that you've stopped doing this and made up for all the times you've done it in that past?
- bitcharmer 4y ago> What are you doing about all the other bogus DMCA claims you company has sent Multiple commenters asked him this and he never replied. Disappointing but not surprising. It's all just superficial hand waving. They are sorry but only for bring caught.
- leaflets2 4y agoIt would be interesting to know, in comparison, how high the fees are to the company that sends the DMCA takedown requests And how much it costs to defend oneself against such a request
- behringer 4y agoI believe they would "donate" the money, but that's only if they can get a signed agreement not to be countersued.
- KingOfCoders 4y agoGreat way to get $25k (and I'm with you, I don't mean that sarcastically or that you don't deserve it), the company needs to pay up to manage somewhat their reputation.
- dnqla 4y ago> A $25k donation to NumFOCUS would be a good start. Most of which will go to director's salaries. What do these directors do apart from harassing conference members? https://www.fast.ai/2020/10/28/code-of-conduct/ https://www.fast.ai/2020/10/28/code-of-conduct/