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Setting aside much of the necessary context, is this somewhat inherently an anti-union action? (Even if the moderators are not anti-union themselves?) That said

Setting aside much of the necessary context, is this somewhat inherently an anti-union action? (Even if the moderators are not anti-union themselves?) That said, I curiously dove in to find a lot of relevant flavor: - The sidebar of r/AmazonFC seems to have rather reasonable rules, yet "no pro/anti union discussion" bullet. I consider this to be a poor decision on their part. - Currently, the mods are now locking and reviewing all posts without sufficiently describing why: https://www.reddit.com/r/AmazonFC/comments/u7ipfn/current_state_of_the_subreddit/ https://www.reddit.com/r/AmazonFC/comments/u7ipfn/current_st... - With a cursory search, I found multiple threads within the past few months with (seemingly) unhindered union discussion. In these threads (which seem to be balanced in terms of pro/against sentiment) some employees express rather unsettling yet somewhat related sentiments, such as not being able to talk with other employees in their roles, even socially. (I am not extremely extroverted but even I can't imagine working in an environment like this.) - Most abstractly, permitting open discussions about unionization puts the Mods of r/AmazonFC in an extremely awkward place—I imagine that these mods are known to Amazon management (either intentionally or unintentionally disclosed) and probably currently work for the company. I seriously doubt they are paid enough where they can be careless about moderation actions in case it incurs the ire of Amazon, even if Moderating while off the clock in their free time on personal devices. (Unions or not, this is categorically broken in the US employment system, at a level larger than Amazon.) IMO, either: - Reddit community management should step in and offer assistance, particularly because the mods are claiming spam and brigading. (I don't know their intervention guidelines.) - The sub should link to (yet disavow, if the mods desire) a new sub for AmazonFC unionization discussions, as an open platform for fair discussion for or against unionization at Amazon Fullfilment Centers.

forum_ghost 5y ago
You'd be surprised how many subreddits are owned by corporates or PR firms retained on their behalf. AmazonFC is quite likely a corporate subreddit. It's also shocking Amazon employees don't yet have their own forum setup for this, with a web-of-trust system, so that moles can be rooted out easily. Plenty of stuff like that out of the box for nominal fee. How long will it take for everyone to fully understand that if you don't ownn something (free service) - they own you, and your content, and often even your thoughts, not the other way around? Might get much worse before it gets better.
- permachem 4y ago
  I just recently discovered that. Tried holding convos about some of the “handyman” type apps in the specific subreddits and everything pretty much by approval only.
- brador 5y ago
  What’s a web of trust system?
  - forum_ghost 5y ago
    e.g.: I am an amazon worker. I want to unionize. a trusted friend I knew before Amazon vouches for me to join the forum where we talk. Now, I can invite you, because I can vouch for you as a member. If you turn out to be a strike-breaker spy, I might get booted with you, or maybe my reputation will be reset to zero, or I get to be watched more closely, etc. 1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_signing_party https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_signing_party 2) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_of_trust https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_of_trust
stjohnswarts 5y ago
I suspect the mods didn't want to deal with the vitriol that results from such discussions. The people who want an Amazon union discussion subreddit should start one. They probably just didn't want their sub to be taken over by union/anti-union propagandists.
- hennell 5y ago
  This would be my default assumption to be honest. Any controversial discussion on Reddit tends to take over your mod queue with arguments and reports and then claims of mods overreaching, personal attacks etc etc. Add to that the number of self important users who feel the need to make their own post rather then join a discussion and subs can be taken over by a topic super fast and become way more work then you signed up for. People are way too quick to assume conspiracies when unpaid-mods-don't-want-to-deal-with-the-hassel-or-potential-real-life-consequences is a very likely much more obvious scenario.

forum_ghost 5y ago

You'd be surprised how many subreddits are owned by corporates or PR firms retained on their behalf. AmazonFC is quite likely a corporate subreddit. It's also shocking Amazon employees don't yet have their own forum setup for this, with a web-of-trust system, so that moles can be rooted out easily. Plenty of stuff like that out of the box for nominal fee. How long will it take for everyone to fully understand that if you don't ownn something (free service) - they own you, and your content, and often even your thoughts, not the other way around? Might get much worse before it gets better.

permachem 4y ago
I just recently discovered that. Tried holding convos about some of the “handyman” type apps in the specific subreddits and everything pretty much by approval only.
brador 5y ago
What’s a web of trust system?
- forum_ghost 5y ago
  e.g.: I am an amazon worker. I want to unionize. a trusted friend I knew before Amazon vouches for me to join the forum where we talk. Now, I can invite you, because I can vouch for you as a member. If you turn out to be a strike-breaker spy, I might get booted with you, or maybe my reputation will be reset to zero, or I get to be watched more closely, etc. 1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_signing_party https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_signing_party 2) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_of_trust https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_of_trust

stjohnswarts 5y ago

I suspect the mods didn't want to deal with the vitriol that results from such discussions. The people who want an Amazon union discussion subreddit should start one. They probably just didn't want their sub to be taken over by union/anti-union propagandists.

hennell 5y ago
This would be my default assumption to be honest. Any controversial discussion on Reddit tends to take over your mod queue with arguments and reports and then claims of mods overreaching, personal attacks etc etc. Add to that the number of self important users who feel the need to make their own post rather then join a discussion and subs can be taken over by a topic super fast and become way more work then you signed up for. People are way too quick to assume conspiracies when unpaid-mods-don't-want-to-deal-with-the-hassel-or-potential-real-life-consequences is a very likely much more obvious scenario.